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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

beloved57 wrote:

You cannot understand kingdom truth at all..it has to be given to you, sorry...


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 10:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Beloved, who are you trying to emulate? Christ or Satan?

You accused Mattathias, saying, "You will not believe [what I say] but will just say it means something else, because you don't have the Spirit of God! Unbelievers such as yourself cannot know or understand spiritual truth. The Bible is not written for all people, but just the children of the kingdom, which you are not. It will serve you no purpose to read the Bible, because it's just another piece of literature to you."

These are vicious, slanderous accusations, and they are meant only to harm your brother and steal his peace. And what has Christ said about this sort of behavior?

THE LOVE OF GOD versus THE HATE OF SATAN

In John 8:42, Jesus told the Jewish leaders, "If God were your Father, you would love Me." And why would they have loved Him? Because God is love. He is agape love; that is, He is unconditional, sacrificial love; a selfless love that gives of itself for the benefit of others. If God had been their Father, then they would have loved their enemy, just as God loves His enemies. But they could not understand what He was saying.

So Jesus explained it further in verse 43 and 44: "Why can you not understand My speech? Because you are not capable of listening to My word. You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it."

DOING THE WORK OF SATAN

So, how can we know when we are doing the work of satan? There are a number of criteria given by Christ:

1st) we will not love our enemies or our fellow brothers in Christ,
2nd) we will make slanderous accusations about others,
3rd) we will seek to harm any who disagree with us, and
4th) we will lie.

All one has to do, beloved, is look at your threads to know who your father is, for they are full of accusations and hatred. This is dangerous ground you walk on, my friend.

THE THINGS OF THE SPIRIT

You quoted I Corinthians 2:13-14 in an attempt to slander Mattathias with the Word of God... but I would like to demonstrate the true meaning of that verse, if you will.

The verse says, "these things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches but which the holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolish to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."

I get the impression that you believe in your mind that whatever you speak falls under the category of "the things of the Spirit of God." But, in order to understand what Paul meant, we have to understand what "the things of the Spirit of God" are. Are they doctrines? Are they rules? Are they secrets hidden from the foundation of the world, which only the very elect can comprehend?

No. They are none of these things. "The things of the Spirit of God" are those things which are inherent to the Spirit of God and which the Spirit of God produces in a man. That is to say, "the things of the Spirit of God" are God's attributes, His character traits, as they are manifested in our character.

To put it clearly: "the things of the Spirit of God" are love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. And we find these spiritual attributes mentioned throughout the Gospels, Paul's epistles, and every book of the Bible.

GOD'S CHARACTER IN US

God's character traits are not indispensable, as some might think. God's character, reflected in us, is what the Gospel is all about. And the natural man does not receive God's attributes, because they are foolishness to him; nor can he comprehend God's character, because God's character is spiritually discerned.

So, if we strive for anything at all, it should be this: to perfectly reflect God's character to all men and in every situation. That is what Christ did. And that is what He calls each of us to do. Not just the elect, either, mind you. But all of us.

Every one of His children are called upon to reflect His glorious character to the world - because, believe it or not, the only way the world will ever see God's character is through us!

May we allow His light to shine through us today on these forums.

Amen.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 9:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

GospelCompilation wrote:
Beloved, who are you trying to emulate? Christ or Satan?

You accused Mattathias, saying, "You will not believe [what I say] but will just say it means something else, because you don't have the Spirit of God! Unbelievers such as yourself cannot know or understand spiritual truth. The Bible is not written for all people, but just the children of the kingdom, which you are not. It will serve you no purpose to read the Bible, because it's just another piece of literature to you."

These are vicious, slanderous accusations, and they are meant only to harm your brother and steal his peace. And what has Christ said about this sort of behavior?

THE LOVE OF GOD versus THE HATE OF SATAN

In John 8:42, Jesus told the Jewish leaders, "If God were your Father, you would love Me." And why would they have loved Him? Because God is love. He is agape love; that is, He is unconditional, sacrificial love; a selfless love that gives of itself for the benefit of others. If God had been their Father, then they would have loved their enemy, just as God loves His enemies. But they could not understand what He was saying.

So Jesus explained it further in verse 43 and 44: "Why can you not understand My speech? Because you are not capable of listening to My word. You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it."

DOING THE WORK OF SATAN

So, how can we know when we are doing the work of satan? There are a number of criteria given by Christ:

1st) we will not love our enemies or our fellow brothers in Christ,
2nd) we will make slanderous accusations about others,
3rd) we will seek to harm any who disagree with us, and
4th) we will lie.

All one has to do, beloved, is look at your threads to know who your father is, for they are full of accusations and hatred. This is dangerous ground you walk on, my friend.

THE THINGS OF THE SPIRIT

You quoted I Corinthians 2:13-14 in an attempt to slander Mattathias with the Word of God... but I would like to demonstrate the true meaning of that verse, if you will.

The verse says, "these things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches but which the holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolish to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."

I get the impression that you believe in your mind that whatever you speak falls under the category of "the things of the Spirit of God." But, in order to understand what Paul meant, we have to understand what "the things of the Spirit of God" are. Are they doctrines? Are they rules? Are they secrets hidden from the foundation of the world, which only the very elect can comprehend?

No. They are none of these things. "The things of the Spirit of God" are those things which are inherent to the Spirit of God and which the Spirit of God produces in a man. That is to say, "the things of the Spirit of God" are God's attributes, His character traits, as they are manifested in our character.

To put it clearly: "the things of the Spirit of God" are love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. And we find these spiritual attributes mentioned throughout the Gospels, Paul's epistles, and every book of the Bible.

GOD'S CHARACTER IN US

God's character traits are not indispensable, as some might think. God's character, reflected in us, is what the Gospel is all about. And the natural man does not receive God's attributes, because they are foolishness to him; nor can he comprehend God's character, because God's character is spiritually discerned.

So, if we strive for anything at all, it should be this: to perfectly reflect God's character to all men and in every situation. That is what Christ did. And that is what He calls each of us to do. Not just the elect, either, mind you. But all of us.

Every one of His children are called upon to reflect His glorious character to the world - because, believe it or not, the only way the world will ever see God's character is through us!

May we allow His light to shine through us today on these forums.

Amen.


Please, get out of here with all this rubbish of yours..I dont know where to start to counter this ball of confusion..
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Beloved57 wrote:
"Please, get out of here with all this rubbish of yours. I dont know where to start to counter this ball of confusion."

I can see how you might consider my latest post a "ball of confusing rubbish," because I was careful to make my points clearly (using Christ Himself as our example) and I drew deeply from Scriptural principles.

I almost had to laugh, though, because your answer was nothing more than a slanderous accusation, coupled with a degrading insult - which are tactics Satan employs when he attacks those he hates... so all you did was prove the legitimacy of my post.

I can also understand how you might not know "where to start." After all, I probably forgot to ask my question at the beginning of my post. Oh, wait a minute... there it is... yeah, right at the beginning of the post, where I was sure you couldn't miss it. I asked, "Beloved, who are you trying to emulate? Christ or Satan?"

But now that I've seen your response, I can understand why you wouldn't answer that question.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GospelCompilation wrote:
Beloved57 wrote:
"Please, get out of here with all this rubbish of yours. I dont know where to start to counter this ball of confusion."

I can see how you might consider my latest post a "ball of confusing rubbish," because I was careful to make my points clearly (using Christ Himself as our example) and I drew deeply from Scriptural principles.

I almost had to laugh, though, because your answer was nothing more than a slanderous accusation, coupled with a degrading insult - which are tactics Satan employs when he attacks those he hates... so all you did was prove the legitimacy of my post.

I can also understand how you might not know "where to start." After all, I probably forgot to ask my question at the beginning of my post. Oh, wait a minute... there it is... yeah, right at the beginning of the post, where I was sure you couldn't miss it. I asked, "Beloved, who are you trying to emulate? Christ or Satan?"

But now that I've seen your response, I can understand why you wouldn't answer that question.


more rubbish..
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does any one have popcorn, I am running low?

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

beloved57, I think it's about time that you cool off!
What gives you the right to Judge, that's up to God.
Personal attacks on other members, I won't stand for.
Either abide by the rules or abide some where else! Confused or disgusted
Now if you want to cool down & act like a christian brother then fine, but right now your out of line! Shocked
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 10:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wish you guys would use the little red flag in the upper right hand corner of the posts to report a post, rather than take care of it yourself, I always have to get into it anyway! Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 8:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My apologies, Nobby. I wasn't aware of the little red flag in the upper right hand corner... but now I am. And I'm sorry I took this matter into my own hands. Next time I'll let you know.
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