For MAGNUM PI - The Proble of Evil

Van

Famous remarks:

Love means never having to say you are sorry.
You won't have me to kick around any longer.
I don't deal with what ifs.

Tiger75

Hi Magnum,

Why is it you seem to detest my faith so much? For someone who is so 'well-read' on history you've never quoted any good-thing that Christianity has brought to mankind. Or has your inner hatred caused you a blind bias?

Things like the Abolition of Slavery, Orphanages, The Medical Realm, Civilisation, Some of the greatest scientists like Isaac Newton, Michael Faraday ... Some of our most beautiful (subject to opinion taken) works of art have been inspired by holy writ.

The thing that confuses me is that because of a 'minority few' of fundamentalists who I don't think have held clearly to the word of God and have used 'Religion' as a banner for political and material gain you class me amongst their number.

If the Bible has been so easily disproved and counted worthless why has it been best-seller every year (except one which was 'Pilgrims Progress'). Why has it been burnt, torn, banned and yet still abides? Why is it that it being 'myth and fairy-tale' has changed the hearts of men and women and goes on continuing to do so?

Jesus Christ said "I have come that they might have life and life in abundance."

Tiger

Tiger75

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Hi Tiger, things are going our way! (So long as you count it all joy!)

Rom 8:37!

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So far in my little study of end times, I have concluded you might be camped near the amillennialists.

Quite close. But as with all these interpretations none are totally satisfying.

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I am still camped over by the dodgy folks, but I am underwhelmed by our support so far.

Most people in my church are in the 'dodgy' camp, but Darby and Schofield have a lot to blame for that.

Keep on going on,

Tiger

Magnum PI

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Things like the Abolition of Slavery, Orphanages, The Medical Realm, Civilisation,

I don't have time this morning to give a complete reply but I did want to reply to the above.

Christianity was not the reason behind the abolition of slavery much less 'civilization' or the medicine. Both of which had been around LONG before Christianity was even thought up!

You sound like an Afrocentrist Tiger. Always wanting to re-write history to suite your delusions of grandeur.

More later...

MPI

Tiger75

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... Christianity was not the reason behind the abolition of slavery ...

Hmmm. End of the Roman Empire? End of the British Empire? I think if you check the history books you'll find it happened twice. Ever heard of a chap called William Wilberforce? Even my skeptic friend wont deny this one.

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You sound like an Afrocentrist Tiger.

I don't think life began in Africa, bad context to use the word btw, the garden of eden was probably nearer Iraq.

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Always wanting to re-write history to suite your delusions of grandeur.

Just quoting it as it is.

Tiger

changeup2010

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If you take a good close look at religious history and apply it to the aforementioned you would see quite clearly that the Bible was inspired not by God but by man.
Prove your statement. I'd like to see that. It was written by man, not inspired by man.

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In addition to the above reply, you can bet your bottom dollar it sure in the hell was! The history of humankind (i.e., power, control, war, the psychopolitics of hatred, etc.) is on my side, what's your proof otherwise!?!
Do you even know what "Christians" are and what they went through. I would not lump them in with the powerful, back in that day. They were constantly on the run. Being persecuted left and right for their beliefs. The bible was not a popular thing to work on, that's a fact.

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In your dreams! There is far more evidence discounting the Bible than there is for it. That is an undisputable FACT! Hell, even some denominations have gone as far as even admitting it! (Check your Christian/Catholic Encyclopedia for starters!) Religion changes as time changes less it wants to become a part of the past. Remember when those religious clowns actually thought the earth was the center of the universe, what did they do to Galileo!?! Hmmmm! And what about Christopher Columbus eh! Look what happen to him for his notions that the earth was round and not flat! So many errors and it only took intellect, shared worldly knowledge and time to prove so many things about religion WRONG!
Some of these books were written much closer to the actual event than most of the historical writings we have today about important historical figures. So you're saying we should believe a book that was written 500 years past an event, rather than believing a book that was written within 50 years of the actual event. HMM. Yeah, that doesn't make sense.

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HOGWASH! There is nothing but contradictions between Mark, Luke, John...etc. on the accounts of Jesus. Not one of them even got the story straight much less corroberated between two or more of them.
The gospels were not written to satisfy the testing of a historical document. They were written to hit the heart of the people who read them. They were written to save souls by giving us a look at Jesus life and teachings. So taken as a whole the Gospels were very consistent with the over-all story of Jesus purpose.

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Yeah, so! What's your point! He was a man tried, convicted and executed. Do you know how many other such recorded events there are throughout history!
Do you believe this portion of the bible? I don't read anywhere, where others were resurrected.

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LOL!!!! You actually believe this! Man...if you wish hard enough sooner or later you will actually believe it.
Then it should have been easy to prove otherwise. Just roll the boulder out of the way and show the body. They couldn't do it. With guards around the tomb, no one was able to get in for the purpose of theft.

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God is the source of evil. God is jealous, angry and vengeful. God is murderous. God is demeaning and wishes pain, suffering and even death upon those who would not blindly follow him
I think you've got this backwards, Satan is the source of evil. Satan was an angel in heaven, and he made himself to be evil. NOw we must continually fight against the temptation of sin. All Holy wars were done for selfish reasons. Selfishness, a sin, takes you away from God and toward Satan. So it's not God that want evil. Take for instance Iraq, if we go to war with them and the Pres. says it's for God, he's not telling the truth. We know what the truth is, nuclear ordinance or chemical agents that could be used in war.

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LOL!!!! And that's why to this very day we have hate, intollerance, rape, murder, war, bloodshed, famine and every other evil committed by humans against other humans IN HIS NAME!
As I said above, they would it was in his name, but there are other reasons for war. Any bloodshed, hate, famine, intollerance would be the result of not reading and holding to God's word. Love your neighbor as yourself. If you do any of those listed you're not listening to the word of God. Satan is pulling you away.

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You're sheep being led to the slaughter Van. I pity you
Why pity a person that is living a good life. One that does not hurt anyone. Should we pity you? In our opinion, you are the one going the wrong way, but I don't pity you. You make your own choices. You have read the bible for yourself, if you don't believe it, that's your perogative(sp?)

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Tiger75

Hi ChangeUp

How's things? Why "ChangeUP"?

Tiger

changeup2010

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Hi ChangeUp

How's things? Why "ChangeUP"?

Tiger

Things are getting ready to be a whole lot better, with all the food right around the corner.

I use to pitch in college.

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