Confusion (01)

jsbradtech · Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 1:08 pm Post subject: Confusion (01)

DT 6:5, MT 22:37, MK 12:30, LK 10:27
Love God.

DT 6:13, PS 33:8, 34:9, 111:10, 115:13, 128:1, 147:11, PR 8:13, 16:6, 19:23, 22:4, IS 8:13, LK 12:5, 1PE 2:17 Fear God.

1JN 4:18 There is no fear in love.

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Meaningless post.
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Joebob787 · Rattlesnake Joined: 26 May 2008 Posts: 435 Location: Nj

I don't fully understand the point and post. Please expand
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jsbradtech · Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 7:18 pm Post subject:

Yeah... meaningless. I'm simply trying to point out contradictory messages.

Some passages say "Love God."

Others say "Fear God."

Another says "There is no fear in love."

Interesting logical dilemma, that's all. This is "Bible Debate" is it not? Or is it, rather, "Bible Debate so long as it fits the narrowly defined parameters" forum.

I'm only trying to induce thoughtful dialogue here, with no disrespect intended.
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james · Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 8:34 pm Post subject:

None taken here, but could you specify what you are trying to debate. And do you believe the bible?

As a child did you not know your parents love you and yet we feared after misbehaven, those dreaded words "Wait till your father gets home"

Christianity is NOT a religion, it is living a Christ-like lifestyle. We are Christian because we live Christ like. I believe a religion is ones belief but living it is something else.

jsbradtech · Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 9:17 pm Post subject:

My apologies, James. And thanks for not taking offense, as it was not my intention.

I suppose what I am trying to debate are the many "mixed messages" to be found in the Bible. A book written by man, not by God... and therefore, rife with imperfections. And man, by his nature, given the opportunity to set a precedent, will often do so with a bit of a "spin", to his (or her) own benefit, or to the benefit of his or her people. We do not have the foresight to see how our words today will be used/remembered 10, 100, even 1000 years from now.

I believe in God. I believe in "Christ consciousness". In this same regard, I believe in Krishna and Buddha. These exemplars all have something good to say, but I believe that these are archetypes: examples that we should follow... to become Christ-like, Krishna-like, Buddha-like, etc.

The message is what's important... loving everyone without bias. Giving freely of yourself. Not lusting after earthly desires (sex, cars, "bling", fancy clothes, titles, money) as these are all fleeting. Everything goes away. Earthly pleasures gratify the ego, and the ego keeps us bound in invisible adamantite chains. You won't be taking that iPod with you Smile

I guess what I'm really trying to say is that it's time to move on past the literal Book (and not just the Bible, but also the Koran, the Talmud, whatever). We are not the same humans we were thousands of years ago.
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MoJo · Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 9:34 pm Post subject:

jsbradtech · Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 10:11 pm Post subject:

You're right, MoJo. I started off with something broad which led to (justifiable) questioning of my motives. I feel I have adequately explained, but in so doing it caused me to rethink my approach. Now this thread is moot, isn't it...

I will think upon this and come up with a more concise topic of debate rather than use guerrilla tactics.
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JB · Lion King Joined: 16 Feb 2008 Posts: 1084

RevJP'

You said:

This is true. We are much more adept and spreading our hate, death, and destruction across the globe than we have ever been before.

I wonder, is this the birth pangs Jesus talked about in Matthew 24. We are the same people but the events are becoming more intense.

Just a thought.

JB

james · Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 12:06 pm Post subject:

jsbradtech,

you wrote, I suppose what I am trying to debate are the many "mixed messages" to be found in the Bible. A book written by man, not by God... and therefore, rife with imperfections. And man, by his nature, given the opportunity to set a precedent, will often do so with a bit of a "spin", to his (or her) own benefit, or to the benefit of his or her people. We do not have the foresight to see how our words today will be used/remembered 10, 100, even 1000 years from now.

I do believe the bible to be inspired of God and I do prefer the KJV. Having said this I also can understand your above statement. For many versions of the bible today, I believe, are written and changed to a format that suits how a person wants to live. Thus some bible versions are not only a way to live for God but also we have intermingled our wants and desires into this. To be able to believe we are "Christian",or okay with God, and also live a life of "convenience" to our own satisfaction.