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Silver Surfer
Emperor of the World
Joined: 12 Jul 2003
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Location: Hayden, Idaho, USA
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 Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 7:41 am Post subject: |
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| Pete wrote: | | Silver Surfer wrote: |
When Jesus mentioned the keeping of the commandments by Christians, HE also interjected the word Love into that statement......
John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. |
SS,
I think before you get carried away with the commandments, you'd better spend a little time on a more important issue, and that is which God do you worship, the God of the Bible, or the false God of Trinitarianism? |
Satan like to get people involved in side issues...to keep people from doing exactly what God wants people to do.
BUT, as to the trinity issue......I believe that there is the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
There again, the trinity issue is not founded throughout the WHOLE Bible.
As God, wanting people to keep ALL His commandments is.
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holly102869
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Joined: 26 Jul 2007
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Location: Central, Florida USA
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| Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 8:08 am Post subject: |
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First, Yes we can all follow the Ten Commandments. Jesus did and so can we. First you have to understand that Jesus was a mortal person born in flesh. He had no powers. He did have the kind of faith that God requires of us and in doing so could make miracials happen not because he was a God in mortal skin but because he had faith. He knew what needed to be done and this is why God was pleased with him. He knew the real inturpitation of the Ten Commandments. We don't.
An example:
Murder and Kill are different.
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Silver Surfer
Emperor of the World
Joined: 12 Jul 2003
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Location: Hayden, Idaho, USA
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| Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 8:48 am Post subject: |
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| holly102869 wrote: | | First, Yes we can all follow the Ten Commandments. Jesus did and so can we. First you have to understand that Jesus was a mortal person born in flesh. He had no powers. |
I'd like to clear up any misunderstanding that somebody might get.
Jesus Christ was both man and God in one living body.
He was ALL God....and HE was all man.
Jesus had the powers of God within Himself at all time, BUT, HE did not use them, in any way shape or form.
Satan knew this, when he tried to get Jesus to turn the stones into bread, which Jesus could have done.
Matthew 4:1 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.
4:2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungered.
4:3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.
4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Had Jesus done as satan suggested, satan would have won, and the plan of salvation would have stopped right then and there.
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He did have the kind of faith that God requires of us and in doing so could make miracials happen not because he was a God in mortal skin but because he had faith. He knew what needed to be done and this is why God was pleased with him. He knew the real inturpitation of the Ten Commandments. We don't.
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This is the whole point of the Bible.....that the commandments of God, are based on the principle of God-like Love.
ONLY when a person understands God-like love, then they will keep ALL God's commandments perfectly....just as Jesus did.
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Matthew 5:11 Blessed are ye, when [men] shall revile you, and persecute [you], and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. |
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holly102869
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Joined: 26 Jul 2007
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Location: Central, Florida USA
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| Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 9:06 am Post subject: |
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SS,
you wrote: | Quote: | | Jesus Christ was both man and God in one living body. |
See here is where I just don't agree. If Jesus had God like powers then all of what he did would makes since, but living as we do is why he was sent. To show us that faith in God can give you everthing in this life and in the eturnal heavenly one. If Jesus had powers then his temptations were not anything to him. But to give us his son as mortal just like us and no godly powers and to see what happens when you place your faith in God. That is how it is. We can all do anything as long as we put our faith in the hands of God.
Did you know that we all use less than 10% of our brains. No telling what is possible if we used all of our brain power. This is what I am saying tap into God and we open up the possibilities. Jesus knew the secret and so do we. We just say well ofcourse Jesus could fight off the Devil his was all powerful. No just the opposite. Jesus let his faith and knowledge of the Word of God prepare the way.
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Pete
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Joined: 31 May 2006
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Location: Arlington Hts., Il. USA
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| Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 11:56 am Post subject: |
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| holly102869 wrote: | | First you have to understand that Jesus was a mortal person born in flesh. He had no powers. |
Jesus, the Son of God, had no powers? What Bible are you reading? |
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james
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Joined: 18 Sep 2007
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Location: Portland, Ore
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| Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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| holly102869 wrote: | | First you have to understand that Jesus was a mortal person born in flesh. He had no powers. |
How about Matt 9:6 ".....that you may know that the Son of Man hath power on earth to forgive sins..."
just for starters. |
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holly102869
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| Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 5:16 am Post subject: |
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Yes, you are correct but not in the same way. He was opened to these abilities due to his faith, We can all have God look at us and hear him say I am pleased with this one. We can all open ourselves up and realize that we can do the same if we believe. The difference is we don't do what is required. Jesus died in faith as human.
I am not saying that you or I can be a God. Faith heals I personally have seen it. These people are not Gods but have something we don't, The faith of a mustard seed if, for lack of a better term.
| Quote: | | How about Matt 9:6 "..... |
This is after Jesus pleased God. He had already been tested by Satan. learned the scripture and choose to live it.
| Quote: | | Jesus, the Son of God, had no powers? What Bible are you reading? |
The same one you are but with an open mind not believing all the false doctrines that man tells me to believe.
Many believe in universal salvation, Worship on Sunday, Saturday, or it doesn't matter what day. Who is right? Are any of us or are we just trying to figure it out in our own head? I am for one glad I found this site because many thing I have been told to believe are actually foolish things. You think what I think is foolish.
Answer this why would I follow a mortal with the powers of a God. If he is Godlike then he still doesn't understand true suffering. He healed because he had faith that God would correct these things if he asked to show us that we have such little faith in God.
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JonMarie
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Joined: 18 Feb 2008
Posts: 748
Location: Pa.
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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John 1:
12But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
Jesus Christ alone, lived a life of sinless perfection.
If we continue in the same sins of our past and say Jesus paid for my sins, and there is no difference between the life we now live and the life of an unregenerate person, we are self decieved to think we are born again.
If we do not hunger and thirst after righteousness, we must question our salvation. |
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james
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Joined: 18 Sep 2007
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Location: Portland, Ore
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | CAN ANYONE = = KEEP THE 10-COMMANDMENTS? |
Just wanted to say that I do..  ....I keep ALL 10 COMMANDMENTS.
Oh, I thought I would just add, they are hanging up in my livingroom, that's where I keep them! |
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Virbate
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Joined: 20 May 2008
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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The Bible says that we are redeemed to be able to do good works. The Bible speaks of believers as God's chosen people. God says: "I will dwell among them."
God clearly does not live in any dirty, sinful place that does not obey His own commandments.
So how can this be?
It seems that the Bible can only be interpreted as saying that believers are pure and holy, and that they do indeed obey all the commandments. |
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JonMarie
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Joined: 18 Feb 2008
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Location: Pa.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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Very funny James
I hope someday you will keep them in your heart as well as on your wall. 
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Matthew 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. |
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holly102869
Fierce Poodle
Joined: 26 Jul 2007
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Location: Central, Florida USA
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| Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 4:19 am Post subject: |
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Virbate,
You wrote:
| Quote: | The Bible says that we are redeemed to be able to do good works. The Bible speaks of believers as God's chosen people. God says: "I will dwell among them."
God clearly does not live in any dirty, sinful place that does not obey His own commandments.
So how can this be?
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Could dwell among you mean in your heart?
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Bless you,
Holly
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Virbate
Rattlesnake
Joined: 20 May 2008
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| Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 6:43 am Post subject: |
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| holly102869 wrote: | Virbate,
You wrote:
| Quote: | The Bible says that we are redeemed to be able to do good works. The Bible speaks of believers as God's chosen people. God says: "I will dwell among them."
God clearly does not live in any dirty, sinful place that does not obey His own commandments.
So how can this be?
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Could dwell among you mean in your heart? |
Yes, Holly. Most definitely I think just about everyone here agrees and understands that it means in your heart. God is Love, and Love can only come from your heart, right?
But my point was that: | Quote: | | the reality in your heart comes out in the way you live, and nothing in the way you live can come from something that is not in your heart. So when God is in someone's heart, they obey the Law. |
I put that in quotes because you can quote me on that.
Can you see the logic of what I'm saying? What a person does comes from inside their hearts, so if God is in their hearts, and God cannot live in a messy place, then nothing messy (unlawful) can come out in their choices. |
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james
Lion
Joined: 18 Sep 2007
Posts: 901
Location: Portland, Ore
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| Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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| JonMarie wrote: | Very funny James
I hope someday you will keep them in your heart as well as on your wall. |
Someday?????? How is you believe I do not already?  |
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JonMarie
Grizzly Bear
Joined: 18 Feb 2008
Posts: 748
Location: Pa.
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| Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 9:43 am Post subject: |
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from your post:
James:... | Quote: | | they are hanging up in my livingroom, that's where I keep them! |
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Matthew 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. |
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