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Silver Surfer
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 Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 7:12 pm Post subject: God Calls People, Out of Babylon |
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Two books of the Bible, speak of Babylon.....Daniel and Revelation.
In the Book of Daniel we read about physical Babylon.
In the Book of Revelation, we read about 'spiritual' Babylon.
Babylon is known for having captured, God's people....for 70 years....during the time of Daniel & Ezekiel, and maybe 1 or 2 other prophets of God's.
In Revelation, 'spiritual' Babylon has captured the vast majority of the Christian world....in the last days of earth's history (Our present time)
In Revelation chapters 14 & 18, are not speaking of the physical Babylon empire, that ruled the world during Daniel's time, BUT God warns all mankind of the intoxicating doctrines of the 'wine' of Babylon.
God calls people out of the 'spiritual' Babylonian empire.
In Revelation 17, God pictures Babylon as a woman, and the Bible prophecies use the word woman as a symbol of a church.
No One has the right to judge another person regarding sincerity, motives attitudes or choice of belief......
BUT, God does warn us....to come out of Babylon.
Most people do not know what that means.
Who or what is Babylon ?
AND, if God is addressing me, how do I comre out of Babylon ?
It is virtually IMPORTANT that you and I know the answers to these 2 questions.
The GREAT SIN charged by God, against Babylon is that she made ALL nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
What is the wine of her fornications, which is so intoxicating ?
It is the false doctrines that the church (church described in Revelation 17)... has passed on by traditions.
Jesus warned people about traditions....have you read that in the Bible ?
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Joseph_1417
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| Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 1:11 am Post subject: fornication of babylon |
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hope this helps
REVELATIONS 18:4-9
4. and i heard another voice from heaven saying,
"come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues.
5."for her sins have reached to heaven, and god has remembered her iniquities.
6. "render to her just as she rendered to you, and repay her double according to her works: in the cup which she has mixed, mix double for her
7. " in the measure that she glorified herself and lived luxuriously , in the same measure give her torment and sorrow, for she says in her heart, ' i sit as queen and am no widow and will see no sorrow.
8. "therefore her plagues will come in one day death mourning and famine. and she will be utterly burned with fire, for strong is the lord god who judges her.
9. " the kings of earth who committed fornication and lived luxuriously with her will weep and lament for her, when they see the smoke of her burning.
now i am going to put what i think each on means
revelations 18:4 what it is saying here is that lord is telling his people that are in babylon to get out of the city
revelations 18:5 babylon has sin so much that christ has taken notice and is going to do something about it
revelations 18:6 everything that babylon repay her double for all the pain she has put you though
revelations 18:7 i think this is talking about how the city itself is glorified around the world that you need to make the people and the city pay by giving them sorrow and torment
revelations 18:8 i think that here the city will be destroyed and when that happens famine, death, and mourning will spread though out the world because the city has been destroyed
revelations 18:9 when the rulers of the world see there city in smoke they will weep for they have lost everything.
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holly102869
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| Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 4:54 am Post subject: |
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I agree it is a spiritual Babayon. The churches today are they teaching us what Jesus came to tell us. Not just one but each and every domination is very likely to be teaching at least one false doctrin. Remember to seek the truth in your bible. have more than one translation of the bible because it can help to read it in different ways to help you understand exactly what it is for you to understand.
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Silver Surfer
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| Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 7:54 am Post subject: |
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| holly102869 wrote: | | I agree it is a spiritual Babayon. The churches today are they teaching us what Jesus came to tell us. Not just one but each and every domination is very likely to be teaching at least one false doctrin. Remember to seek the truth in your bible. have more than one translation of the bible because it can help to read it in different ways to help you understand exactly what it is for you to understand. |
I agree.
The Bible alone, is the ONLY source by which a person will escape the snare of Babylonian teachings.
The 2 main deceptions out there are.......
#1.) That man/woman has an 'Immortal soul' (spirit) within himself/herself.
#2.) Sunday worship services, while rejecting the 7th day sabbath, as the day of worship.
On these 2, satan gains control of the Christian world.....
2 Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
11:15 Therefore [it is] no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
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MoJo
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| Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 10:01 am Post subject: |
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Babylon the great is spiritual wickedness in high places.
Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places].
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Silver Surfer
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| Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 10:47 am Post subject: |
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| MoJo wrote: | Babylon the great is spiritual wickedness in high places.
Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places].
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OK, I agree.
Let's explore that somewhat, OK ?
'In high places'....what does that imply to you ?
The Bible does say that satan is the 'god of this world'......
2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
And we do know that he is fighting against the principles of God's Kingdom.
I suppose we should address the OT as to what Babylon was, and apply it to today world (spiritually speaking , of course).
Just another reason to study the OT, to gain understanding of what the NT is talking about.
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Joebob787
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| Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 12:54 pm Post subject: |
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SS,
Do you know why Churches worship on Sunday and not Saturday?
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holly102869
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| Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 6:15 am Post subject: |
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joebob,
Go for it. Please tell me why we worship on Sundays and not Saturdays. I have never actually been told the reason.
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Joebob787
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| Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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Jesus technically rose again on Sunday. Sunday is the first day of the week.
Mark 16:9
9Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.
Luke 24:1
Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.
And this verse helps too!!
Acts 20:7
And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
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Silver Surfer
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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| holly102869 wrote: | joebob,
Go for it. Please tell me why we worship on Sundays and not Saturdays. I have never actually been told the reason. |
To complete the sacrilegious work, Rome presumed to expunge from the law of God (Daniel 7:25...'think to change times and laws') the second commandment, forbidding image worship, and to divide the tenth commandment, in order to preserve the number.
The spirit of concession to paganism opened the way for a still further disregard of Heaven's authority.
Satan, working through unconsecrated leaders of the church, tampered with the fourth commandment also, and essayed to set aside the ancient Sabbath, the day which God had blessed and sanctified (Genesis 2:2, 3), and in its stead to exalt the festival observed by the heathen as "the venerable day of the sun."
This change was not at first attempted openly. In the first centuries the true Sabbath had been kept by all Christians....as Jesus said: "IF you love me, keep my commandments", (John 14:15).
They were jealous for the honor of God, and, believing that His law is immutable, they zealously guarded the sacredness of its precepts.
But with great subtlety Satan worked through his agents to bring about his object.
That the attention of the people might be called to the Sunday, it was made a festival in honor of the resurrection of Christ. Religious services were held upon it; yet it was regarded as a day of recreation, the Sabbath being still sacredly observed.
To prepare the way for the work which he designed to accomplish, Satan had led the Jews, before the advent of Christ, to load down the Sabbath with the most rigorous exactions, making its observance a burden.
Now, taking advantage of the false light in which he had thus caused it to be regarded, he cast contempt upon it as a Jewish institution (Which the Bible never claims).
While Christians generally continued to observe the Sunday as a joyous festival, he led them, in order to show their hatred of Judaism, to make the Sabbath a fast, a day of sadness and gloom.
In the early part of the fourth century the emperor Constantine issued a decree making Sunday a public festival throughout the Roman Empire.
The day of the sun was reverenced by his pagan subjects and was honored by Christians; it was the emperor's policy to unite the conflicting interests of heathenism and Christianity.
He was urged to do this by the bishops of the church, who, inspired by ambition and thirst for power, perceived that if the same day was observed by both Christians and heathen, it would promote the nominal acceptance of Christianity by pagans and thus advance the power and glory of the church.
But while many God-fearing Christians were gradually led to regard Sunday as possessing a degree of sacredness, they still held the true Sabbath as the holy of the Lord and observed it in obedience to the fourth commandment.
The archdeceiver had not completed his work.
He was resolved to gather the Christian world under his banner and to exercise his power through his vicegerent, the proud pontiff who claimed to be the representative of Christ. Through half-converted pagans, ambitious prelates, and world-loving churchmen he accomplished his purpose.
Vast councils were held from time to time, in which the dignitaries of the church were convened from all the world. In nearly every council the Sabbath which God had instituted was pressed down a little lower, while the Sunday was correspondingly exalted.
Thus the pagan festival came finally to be honored as a divine institution, while the Bible Sabbath was pronounced a relic of Judaism, and its observers were declared to be accursed.
The great apostate had succeeded in exalting himself "above all that is called God, or that is worshiped." 2 Thessalonians 2:4.
He had dared to change (Daniel 7:25....'think to change times and laws') the only precept of the divine law that unmistakably points all mankind to the true and living God.
In the fourth commandment, God is revealed as the Creator of the heavens and the earth, and is thereby distinguished from all false gods.
It was as a memorial of the work of creation that the seventh day was sanctified as a rest day for man.
It was designed to keep the living God ever before the minds of men as the source of being and the object of reverence and worship.
Satan strives to turn men from their allegiance to God, and from rendering obedience to His law; therefore he directs his efforts especially against that commandment which points to God as the Creator.
Protestants now urge that the resurrection of Christ on Sunday made it the Christian Sabbath. But Scripture evidence is lacking.
No such honor was given to the day by Christ or His apostles.
The observance of Sunday as a Christian institution had its origin in that "mystery of lawlessness" (2 Thessalonians 2:7, R.V.) which, even in Paul's day, had begun its work. Where and when did the Lord adopt this child of the papacy?
What valid reason can be given for a change which the Scriptures do not sanction ?
DOCUMENTATION:
"Protestants accept Sunday rather than Saturday as the day for public worship 'after' the Catholic Church made the change .....BUT the Protestant mind does not seem to realize that....in observing the Sunday, they are accepting the authority of the spokesman for the church, the Pope", ('Our Sunday Visitor', February 5, 1950).
Romans 6:16 "Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness ?"
"Sunday is a Catholic insitution,and its claims to observance can be defended only on Catholic principles....Fromthe beginning of scripture to the end (Genesis-Revelation) there is not one single passage that warrants the transfer of public worship from the 7th day of the week, to the 1st day of the week", ('Catholic Press', Sydney, Autralia, August, 1900).
"IF Protestants would follow the Bible, they shouldworship God on the Sabbath day. In keeping the Sunday they are following a Law of the Catholic Church" (Albert Smith, Chancellor of the Archdiocese of Baltimore, replying for the Cardinal, in a letter dated February 10, 1920).
"The Church changed the observance of the Sabbath to Sunday by right of the divine, unfallable authority given her by her founder, Jesus Christ.
The Protestant claiming the Bible to be their only guide to faith, has no warrant for observing Sunday.
In this matter, the Seventh-Day Adventist is the only consistent Protestant", ("The Catholic Universe Bulletin', August 14, 1942).
"It was the Catholic church which by the authority of Jesus Christ, has transferred this rest (from the Bible Sabbath) to Sunday....Thus the observance of Sunday by the Protesant is in homage they pay, in spite of themselves, to the authority of the Catholic Church", (Monsignor
Louis Segur, 'Plain Talk about the Protestant of Today', Page 213).
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Joebob787
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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Acts 20:7
And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
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Silver Surfer
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Joebob787 wrote: | Acts 20:7
And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight. |
Have you read towards the end of that chapter ?
You'll see the reason they had that meeting....and it was NOT in honor of Christ's resurrection.
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Joebob787
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| Quote: | Leviticus 23:15
And you shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that you brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete:
Leviticus 23:16
Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall you number fifty days; and you shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD.
The counting begins with the day after the Sabbath during the Passover Feast. Since the Passover is seven days long, only one of those days can be the Sabbath. Therefore, Leviticus 23:15 tells us to begin counting on the day after the Sabbath during the Passover Feast. We are told to count seven Sabbaths. This means seven weeks are counted and each week ends on a Sabbath day, which amounts to 49 days for the seven weeks.
Then, Leviticus 23:16 tells us to count the day after the seventh Sabbath (of the seventh week), thus adding one day to the 49 days, bringing the total number of days to 50 days. The prophecy then informs us that we will have to offer a new meat offering to the Lord.
The old meat offering is the Passover Lamb that had to be killed for the sins of the people. The new meat offering is the new Passover Lamb named Jesus, who was killed for the sins of the people. John the Baptist labeled Jesus ‘the Lamb of God’, which completes our understanding of the prophecy.
Elsewhere in the New Testament, the Apostles referred to Jesus as our ‘Passover’. Therefore, the Old Testament prophecy foretold us that the day of worship, concerning the New Testament Times when Jesus would be the Lamb offering, would be the day after the Sabbath or on a Sunday |
One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind” (Romans 14:5).
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Silver Surfer
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| Joebob787 wrote: | | One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind” (Romans 14:5). |
Why care about what man may think or says ?
It is GOD, who says what we are to do, is that not right ?
Luke 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say ?
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Evee
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SS,
I agree w/you as far as why Sunday was picked as a day of worship. I don't see anywhere in scripture that they gathered because of Christ's resurrection. They simply gathered to fellowship, to be w/other believers.
This verse from Acts 2:46-47 -
46Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts, 47praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people. And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved.
Seems they gathered every day. When Paul was in town, while they were gathering, Paul would preach to them as shown in Acts 20:7. Read closely, you'll see that the believers were already gathered (seems as if it was a customary practice in place already) & then Paul spoke w/them while he was there.
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