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Silver Surfer
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 Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 10:31 am Post subject: WHY observe Sunday, as a day of Worship ? |
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I have often wondered why people who claim to believe the Bible, are so insistent on observing worship services on Sunday , without any Biblical references to such a thing as that ?
People tell me that 'all' days are holy, now...yet cling to Sunday worship services, as the main day for church services....WHY ?.
If all days are holy, church services should be 7 days a week, right ?
WHY SUNDAY ?
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holly102869
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| Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 12:16 pm Post subject: |
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If you happen to be Catholic they do have masses everyday.
However the Bible does not say to worship on Sundays and it is a commandment to worship the last day of the week. Most people believe that Jesus came and removed most commandments. He came to reafirm them not to remove them. This is how the rapture begins. This is why we will believe Satan is Jesus. The ten commandments still must be followed.
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james
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| Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 12:18 pm Post subject: |
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SS wrote,
People tell me that 'all' days are holy, now...yet cling to Sunday worship services, as the main day for church services....WHY ?.
If all days are holy, church services should be 7 days a week, right ?
Some do have services 7 days a week. I can not say I know personally of any that cling to a Sunday (only) worship service. I think this would make for an interesting survey. |
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RevJP
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| Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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I know of no denominations that cling to a 'sunday only' worship doctrine.
I know of many churches and denominations that have worship services on many different days of the week.
| Quote: | | However the Bible does not say to worship on Sundays and it is a commandment to worship the last day of the week. |
I'm not familiar with any commandment in the Bible that tells us to worship on the last day of the week.
I know of know commandment that designates a particular day for worship, nor is there a commandment that even mentions 'week'.
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holly102869
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 6:01 am Post subject: |
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My bad, MaybeI wrote it wrong.
Keep the Sabbath Holy. This is the 4th commandment. This means to rest on the last day of the week because God did so and blessed that day. We do this to in reverance of him. I do not take it as to go to church on Saturday but maybe we should just follow all commandments and worship him at all times by thanking him and blessing everthing we do, everything we have and see all the time. In other words keep God in the forefront of our thoughts and deeds.
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RevJP
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 8:10 am Post subject: |
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Good points holly.
the 4th commandment tells us to set aside one day in seven. It doesn't mention worship, gathering, fellowship, nothing like that. It revolves around rest and dedication to Him that made us.
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Silver Surfer
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 9:46 am Post subject: |
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| RevJP wrote: |
the 4th commandment tells us to set aside one day in seven. |
NO...it does not say that...ever.
God ONLY made one day holy, He blessed One day, only.
Hebrews 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh [day] on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
4:5 And in this [place] again, If they shall enter into my rest.
4:6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
4:7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
4:8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
| Quote: | | It doesn't mention worship, gathering, fellowship, nothing like that. It revolves around rest and dedication to Him that made us. |
This is where so-called Christians, fail.
They do not do, exactly what Jesus Christ did.
Luke 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say ?
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RevJP
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 10:05 am Post subject: |
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| SS wrote: | | NO...it does not say that...ever. |
Gen 2:2-3 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done; and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. [Heb. 4:9, 10.] (3) And God blessed (spoke good of) the seventh day, set it apart as His own, and hallowed it, because on it God rested from all His work which He had created and done. [Exod. 20:11.]
Exo 20:8-11 [Earnestly] remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy (withdrawn from common employment and dedicated to God). (9) Six days you shall labor and do all your work, (10) But the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, your daughter, your manservant, your maidservant, your domestic animals, or the sojourner within your gates. (11) For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. That is why the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it [set it apart for His purposes].
Exo 23:12 Six days you shall do your work, but the seventh day you shall rest and keep Sabbath, that your ox and your donkey may rest, and the son of your bondwoman, and the alien, may be refreshed.
Exo 31:13-18 Say to the Israelites, Truly you shall keep My Sabbaths, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I, the Lord, sanctify you [set you apart for Myself]. (14) You shall keep the Sabbath therefore, for it is holy to you; everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does work on the Sabbath shall be cut off from among his people. (15) Six days may work be done, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, sacred to the Lord; whoever does work on the Sabbath day shall surely be put to death. (16) Wherefore the Israelites shall keep the Sabbath to observe it throughout their generations, a perpetual covenant. (17) It is a sign between Me and the Israelites forever; for in six days the Lord made the heavens and earth, and on the seventh day He ceased and was refreshed. (18) And He gave to Moses, when He had ceased communing with him on Mount Sinai, the two tables of the Testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.
Interesting that you deny what scripture clearly states.
I'm also interested in your take on 31:16-17, since you've continually stated that Sabbath observance is a 'sign' and that it separates the SDA's from the rest of those that don't observe as y'all do, are you telling us that SDA's Israelites?
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Silver Surfer
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 12:22 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="RevJP"] | SS wrote: | | NO...it does not say that...ever. |
WHY didn't you put in your statement...saying the one day out of 7 is all that's required ?
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Gen 2:2-3 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done; and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. [Heb. 4:9, 10.] (3) And God blessed (spoke good of) the seventh day, set it apart as His own, and hallowed it, because on it God rested from all His work which He had created and done. [Exod. 20:11.]
Exo 20:8-11 [Earnestly] remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy (withdrawn from common employment and dedicated to God). (9) Six days you shall labor and do all your work, (10) But the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, your daughter, your manservant, your maidservant, your domestic animals, or the sojourner within your gates. (11) For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. That is why the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it [set it apart for His purposes].
Exo 23:12 Six days you shall do your work, but the seventh day you shall rest and keep Sabbath, that your ox and your donkey may rest, and the son of your bondwoman, and the alien, may be refreshed.
Exo 31:13-18 Say to the Israelites, Truly you shall keep My Sabbaths, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I, the Lord, sanctify you [set you apart for Myself]. (14) You shall keep the Sabbath therefore, for it is holy to you; everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does work on the Sabbath shall be cut off from among his people. (15) Six days may work be done, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, sacred to the Lord; whoever does work on the Sabbath day shall surely be put to death. (16) Wherefore the Israelites shall keep the Sabbath to observe it throughout their generations, a perpetual covenant. (17) It is a sign between Me and the Israelites forever; for in six days the Lord made the heavens and earth, and on the seventh day He ceased and was refreshed. (18) And He gave to Moses, when He had ceased communing with him on Mount Sinai, the two tables of the Testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God. |
Therefore my case is proved !
It is not one day in 7.......BUT, the 7th day of the week.
A certain day of the week, which no other day can be the 7th day.
There are only 7 days in a weekly cycle, and God placed HIS blessing on just that one day, and made ONLY that one day holy......and God told us which day that was to be.
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I'm also interested in your take on 31:16-17, since you've continually stated that Sabbath observance is a 'sign' |
Which the Bible says it is, BUT ONLY if you believe the Bible.
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and that it separates the SDA's from the rest of those that don't observe as y'all do, are you telling us that SDA's Israelites? |
The born-experience is to made into a 'spiritual Jew'.....
Romans 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither [is that] circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
2:29 But he [is] a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision [is that] of the heart, in the spirit, [and] not in the letter; whose praise [is] not of men, but of God.
Galations 6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature. 6:16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace [be] on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.
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trettep
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 4:44 am Post subject: Re: WHY observe Sunday, as a day of Worship ? |
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| Silver Surfer wrote: | I have often wondered why people who claim to believe the Bible, are so insistent on observing worship services on Sunday , without any Biblical references to such a thing as that ?
People tell me that 'all' days are holy, now...yet cling to Sunday worship services, as the main day for church services....WHY ?.
If all days are holy, church services should be 7 days a week, right ?
WHY SUNDAY ? |
Hi Silver Surfer. The Apostles gathered on the 1st day of the week to assemble together as this was the day the Lord rose from the dead. But it really isn't a physical day of the week that they are observing but a Spiritual day which is Spiritually considered the 8th day which circumcision forshadows which is the day in which all the Sons of God are consecrated to the Father in Heaven. So any talk of which day of the week to worship on is for the unknowing as the Apostles worshipped ALWAYS for no one is called to worship sometimes on a certain day. Yet this day they assembled was for the edification of the members and shouldn't be perceived as an endorsement of a certain day of the earthly week.
Hope this helps.
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Silver Surfer
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| Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 10:08 am Post subject: Re: WHY observe Sunday, as a day of Worship ? |
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| trettep wrote: | Hi Silver Surfer.
The Apostles gathered on the 1st day of the week to assemble together as this was the day the Lord rose from the dead. |
Please show me one Bible verse, to support what you say here, OK ?
QUESTION: If the 1st day of the week was to honor Christ's resurrection, then WHY didn't Jesus ask anyone, to observe it as so ?
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But it really isn't a physical day of the week that they are observing but a Spiritual day which is Spiritually considered the 8th day which circumcision forshadows which is the day in which all the Sons of God are consecrated to the Father in Heaven. So any talk of which day of the week to worship on is for the unknowing as the Apostles worshipped ALWAYS for no one is called to worship sometimes on a certain day. |
Yet, the Bible tells us that the Apostles worshipped on the 7th day sabbath, jsut as their Lord Jesus Christ did.
In fact, there is no place in the New Testament where it says that the Apostles worshipped on the 1st day of the week, in honor of Christ's resurrection (Sunday).
| Quote: | Yet this day they assembled was for the edification of the members and shouldn't be perceived as an endorsement of a certain day of the earthly week.
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Again, WHERE in the Bible does it tell anyone to observe Sunday (1st day of the week) to honor Jesus Christ's reaurrection ?
There was a reason God Blessed the 7th day sabbath......and WHY HE made it a Holy day.
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Joebob787
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| Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 12:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Leviticus 23:15
And you shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that you brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete:
Leviticus 23:16
Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall you number fifty days; and you shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD.
The counting begins with the day after the Sabbath during the Passover Feast. Since the Passover is seven days long, only one of those days can be the Sabbath. Therefore, Leviticus 23:15 tells us to begin counting on the day after the Sabbath during the Passover Feast. We are told to count seven Sabbaths. This means seven weeks are counted and each week ends on a Sabbath day, which amounts to 49 days for the seven weeks.
Then, Leviticus 23:16 tells us to count the day after the seventh Sabbath (of the seventh week), thus adding one day to the 49 days, bringing the total number of days to 50 days. The prophecy then informs us that we will have to offer a new meat offering to the Lord.
The old meat offering is the Passover Lamb that had to be killed for the sins of the people. The new meat offering is the new Passover Lamb named Jesus, who was killed for the sins of the people. John the Baptist labeled Jesus ‘the Lamb of God’, which completes our understanding of the prophecy.
Elsewhere in the New Testament, the Apostles referred to Jesus as our ‘Passover’. Therefore, the Old Testament prophecy foretold us that the day of worship, concerning the New Testament Times when Jesus would be the Lamb offering, would be the day after the Sabbath or on a Sunday |
Seriously, Has anyone read this Post yet? I have posted this like 4 times already in 3 different Forums?
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Silver Surfer
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| Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Joebob787 wrote: | | [Elsewhere in the New Testament, the Apostles referred to Jesus as our ‘Passover’. Therefore, the Old Testament prophecy foretold us that the day of worship, concerning the New Testament Times when Jesus would be the Lamb offering, would be the day after the Sabbath or on a Sunday |
IF...this is correctly understood.........
Hebrews 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh [day] on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
4:5 And in this [place] again, If they shall enter into my rest.
4:6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
4:7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
4:8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
Meaning that Jesus would have told us to observe Sunday, the 1st day of the week......IF there would have been a change.
4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
Meaning:That the 7th day sabbath is still to be observed, by anyone who calls themselves....Christian.
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Joebob787
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Then Explain Leviticus 23:15-16
It says They will offer a New meat for the Lord on the First day of the week.
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Silver Surfer
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| Joebob787 wrote: | Then Explain Leviticus 23:15-16
It says They will offer a New meat for the Lord on the First day of the week. |
The context here is the sabbaths.....the ceremoinal sabbaths.
These are not the same 7th day sabbath, God blessed and made Holy.
Do you understand that God's 4th commandment...is different from the ceremonial sabbaths such as the Passover ?
23:12 And ye shall offer that day when ye wave the sheaf an he lamb without blemish of the first year for a burnt offering unto the LORD.
23:13 And the meat offering thereof [shall be] two tenth deals of fine flour mingled with oil, an offering made by fire unto the LORD [for] a sweet savour: and the drink offering thereof [shall be] of wine, the fourth [part] of an hin.
23:14 And ye shall eat neither bread, nor parched corn, nor green ears, until the selfsame day that ye have brought an offering unto your God: [it shall be] a statute for ever throughout your generations in all your dwellings.
23:15 And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete:
23:16 Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD.
23:17 Ye shall bring out of your habitations two wave loaves of two tenth deals: they shall be of fine flour; they shall be baken with leaven; [they are] the firstfruits unto the LORD.
People who try to use Colossians 2:14-16 often use that Bible verse to justify their breaking of the 4th commandment......
2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]:
And I ask them: show me where in the 4th commandment (Exodus 20:8-11) any mentioning of food or drink, or new moons in the 7th day sabbath commandment.
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