Who is Jesus? And Who is God ? Do we have Three Gods?

habeshaw · Growing Guppy Joined: 18 Jun 2008 Posts: 41

hello every one, this is my first Post on this site , i read some of the posts and i think
they are good and respectful. About my self, I am 23 years old Male, from ethiopia, and I am
Orthodox christian, but any way who cares? let's see some of the facts of the bible about Our God, trinity,... since these are the very crutial point for all christians to be called as christian. First of all, since my mother toungue is Amharic, i think i can't correctly use the chapters, and numbers of the Holy Bible, so you might address this and help me on that.

who is Jesus? and who is God? And what is the concept behind Trinity?
Do christina's belive in three Gods?

Trinity? Who is the Father, who is the Son , and who is the Sprit? The Bible says that there is only one God, so what do Trinity mean? which one of the three is the creater of All, God?

Trinity belives, about thier Power,
Father=Son==Sprit, (no difference),

Trinity belives, about thier work, the three has different tasks, which is:
Using the father God thinks,
using the Son(Word) God Speaks(do things),
using the Sprit, God gives Life.

Finally 'trinity' means One and Only One God.

to understand the concept of One God(Trinity), let's take the example of Sun.
a sun has a light, we call it sun
a sun has a heat, we call it sun
a sun has it's size, when we look at, we call it sun.

Remember,but we have only one Sun. That is it. that is the concept of trinity, Ok Now, how can we relate this with the bible.

Jhon 1:1,
In the beginning was the Word(The Son), and the Word was with God(The Father),and the Word was God.(The Son was God), the same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him;(The Word), and without him was not any thing made that was made.
In him was life(The Sprit); and the life was the light of men. ... And the Word(the son) was made
flesh, and dwelt among us,...

that is it, that is how the trinity defines. now who is that Word, whom the world is created by Him?
Genesis 1:1,
In the Begining God Created the heaven and the Earth. ... and God said(Word), let there be light: and there was light.

Because God will not use any material at hand to do a thing, he just use his Word, (the Son)
that is why John 1:1 says ' All things are created By him,(the word) who became the Flesh, means become Human, Jesus Christ.

There fore from the above, Every thing is done by Jesus Christ, Every thing!!!, except nothing.
He was Jesus, who talk with Abraham, Mose,... Every Word mentioned in the holy Bible is By Jesus christ

Christians do not have three Gods, but One, which is Jesus Christ==His Heart== and His Sprit. they are one and One. Orthodox faith says
when they are one, they are three, And when they are three, they are one. that is why Jesus says I and the father is the Same.

Can you call The sun three? You can't, so is for God.
can you say the light is better that the heat? you can't? so is for the Trinity.

which is to mean like, I can't be Greater than or smaller than My self. I am Just the One.

This is how we Belive in Trinity. Only One God, One faith, and One Baptist.
Remeber, Jesus will never kneel to some body else to ask for some one's sin, Because he is the One who sit to decide on sins.

That is it about Jesus, and the Trinity, and i Will Say some thing about the father and the Sprit, if you like, but the father and the Sprit is in Jesus, and Jesus is in the Father and the Sprit.

Finally, please let us try to understand the words of the Bible with sprit and faith, not just by continous reading or memorization because, No body can get God sceintifically, or expermentally, but with sprit, after all God is Sprit.

Jesus is Love and He is the True God.

holly102869 · Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 4:52 am Post subject:

Very well put. You have a gift my friend. You get your point to come across very clearly. Don't ever loose this gift.
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Pete · Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 5:26 am Post subject:

Habeshaw, You did a better job of describing Modalism than Trinity.

45degreeN · Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 5:41 am Post subject:

Read Flatland by Edwin Abbott Abbott .
www.geom.uiuc.edu/~banchoff/Flatland/
In it you will examine the difference caused by different dimensions and why it is simply impossible for us to understand God.

For any human to fully comprehend God is not possible here in the flesh. Attempts are not bad but ultimately frustrated since we humans will not ever be able to do it.

I dont condemn anyone who genuinely makes the effort I do condemn those who take the results and make some kind of Dogma that excludes anyone who disagrees with them.
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I'm moving this to the Trinity forum.
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Zathrus · Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 9:38 am Post subject:

Rocket · House Cat Joined: 10 Dec 2006 Posts: 160

Habeshaw, In the beginning was the Word. and the Word was Jesus? Pray tell where does it say the Word was Jesus. In the beginning was the Word, so you go back to the beginning, Genesis 1, In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Does it say anything in Genesis that Jesus created or God used Jesus as the Word. No, it says God's Word created. There was no Jesus at the time.
I have heard this said so many times by people who read into the Bible what isn't there. You claim you don't have the same Bible? Or is it just written in a different language? There is a Bible which is said to be the one the apostles gave them in Syria called the Peshitta. This is a Bible written in the native language of Jesus and the Apostles call Aramaic.
If Jesus was Jewish, born to a Hebrew women named Mary where does all this come from. It certainly did not come from the Jewish Jesus, or the Jewish Apostles including Paul. Speaking of Paul, he was the Apostles to the Pagans. Let me think here, trinity, three in one, could there be a connection. Pagan-trinity? Yes indeed. Jesus never taught God in three persons equal one. A pagan Catholic church, later divided into different denominations did, and still does.

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Rocket do you intend to substantiate any of these claims?

habeshaw · Growing Guppy Joined: 18 Jun 2008 Posts: 41

hi all, thanks for participation..
Rocket,
i said that every thing is done by Jesus(the Word), not from any where else, but from the bible
i can mention many bible words, if you like. But i think i mention it on my post earlier,that on John 1:1 '... All things were made by Him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.' you see this rocket?

But your question might by who is it 'him'?.. Ok read it starting from john 1:1 and it was Word ... And Who is the Word?, at john 1: 14.. and the Word was made flesh,... That flesh was the Word, that is Jesus, that is why i stated to be Jesus earlier.
Now can you debate that the flesh is not Jesus, you can, but i doubt you belive in Bible.But, there is a word in the bible in the cloud of unknowing, that His(Jesus) name will be called the Word of God.
You should have to belive in Bible to deal with the Post.

Any way, about the origional languge of the Bible, Since I am in Ethiopia, i have Bible written in Geez, which is, i belive Correct, because of many reasons, forget that for now.

Jesus Christ is The True God

Nobby · Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 3:03 pm Post subject:

Hi habeshaw, Jesus was also called Immanuel, it means, God with us! Very Happy

The Word became flesh and dwelt among us.
It was told to Joseph & Mary to call his name Jesus, Immanuel, God with us! Very Happy

God's Blessings,
Nobby
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Joebob787 · Rattlesnake Joined: 26 May 2008 Posts: 435 Location: Nj

the church of God, which He has purchased with His Own blood." ACTS 20:28b

Jesus Bought the church with his blood. This Verse says YHWH did it.
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Mattathias · Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 4:42 pm Post subject:

habeshaw · Growing Guppy Joined: 18 Jun 2008 Posts: 41

hi all ... i am going to show that Jesus Christ is the only God, who was
present before any thing, apart from what i was posted earlier, just for
addition, but i know that if you don't belive the my first post you will not
belive with this too. But for those who are not fully belive that Jusus is God,
this will help.
i want answer from those who belive that Jesus Christ is Just a prophet
or he is created by God.

the revelation of John 1:7,Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and
all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

the revelation of John 1:8, I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord
, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

the revelation of John 2:8,.. These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive.

the revelation of John 22,12, And, behold, i come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man accourding
as his work shall be.

the revelation of John 22:13, I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

the revelation of John 22:16, I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches.
I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

John 14:6, Jesus saith unto him, I am the Way, the truth, and the life.

Exodus 17:6, Behold, i(God) will stand before thee there upon the rock in Horeb; and thou shalt smite the rock, and
there shall come water out of it, that the people may drink.

Corentias 10:1, Moreover, brthern, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were
under the cloud, and all passed through the see;

Corentias 10:2,And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;

Corentias 10:3, And did all eat the same spritual meat;

Corentias 10:4, And did drink the same spritual drink: for they drank of that spritual Rock that followed them:
and the Rock was Christ.

from the above words, you can understand that Jesus Christ was the First and the Last, the Beginning and The End,
Alpha and Omega.

from the above word, you can understand that Every thing that should be God's only Property, like, truth, life,.. are Jesus's Property,
so can you say that God will borrow the life(for example) from Jesus to use it? No because Jesus
is God.

From the Above words, you can also understand that it was Jesus Christ who talk to Mose and Arone, who help Israel
to come out from Egypt.

Generally, the above words correctly match with John 1:1,

John 1:1, In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,and the Word was God. the
same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him;and without him was not any thing made that was made.
In him was life; and the life was the light of men. ... And the Wordwas made
flesh, and dwelt among us,...

Now can you say that Jesus is not God?
I have a lot to tell you, but let this is be enough for now. Finnaly, PLease let's Pray, fast and ask God for wisdom, so that
Our God show us the Truth.

Jesus Christ is The True God

habeshaw · Growing Guppy Joined: 18 Jun 2008 Posts: 41

hi all,
let me add just one Word which completely assure us to say that the World is created by Jesus, Our God. Laughing

Can any body oppose this?

John 1:10. He(Word) was in the World, and the World was made by him, and the world knew him not.

You see this? Ok.. who is he? he is the Word, start reading from john 1:1
ok, now still who is that word,... at john 1:14 the Word is who become human
, that is Jesus Christ...

Now What can you say about this? Jesus is Our God, the creator of Heaven and Earth
the creater of the World.

i read that some of you says " Jesus and we are the same, and equal...". i will never debate with you about this, since you are starting to insult God.
But I say this, if you ready to know the truth, please check in what sprit you are speaking.. there are two types of sprits, which one might use it to speak or act,
these are the Sprit of Devil and the Sprit of God.. think about It. But i say to you, you are out of God's Sprit, and you are not Christians

see u.

MoJo · Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 10:17 am Post subject:

Another avenue to check is the angel of the Lord's presence who "has **my name** in him"

Exd 23:21 Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name [is] in him.

Jhn 10:38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father [is] in me, and I in him.

Isa 63:9 In all their affliction he was afflicted, and the angel of his presence saved them: in his love and in his pity he redeemed them; and he bare them, and carried them all the days of old.

Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Very Happy

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