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Bro. Steve Winter Big Guppy
Joined: 04 Jun 2008 Posts: 49
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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 6:44 am Post subject: Trinity worship most certainly is polytheism. Roman roots! |
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The protestants worship the same three headed idol from Rome that the Catholics do. All trinitarians are daughters of the RCC or "Catholic lite" If scripture makes you angry, ask yourself why.
The false church is following a manmade teaching. They have to go to "denominal opinions of men" that originated in the 2nd and 3rd century to explain and discuss their beliefs. It is also interesting that the same bunch at Rome that dreamed up the trinity, also ushered in the dark ages by killing people for possessing Bibles. It is important to realize that the Catholic Church is the "Great *One Who Practices the World's Oldest Profession*" in the book of Rev. and the "mother of harlots" (the harlots being the denominations that retain the trinity heresy). The harlot wants relationship with man, but will not "take the man's name" and will not forsake her worldly loves for her husband. Just as the harlot churches will not use
Jesus name in baptism, and will not forsake the sins of the world.
Here I will show some of the apostles writing that exposes certain of the false doctrines taught by the harlot churches.:
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
The harlot churches use the titles of their 3 gods if they even baptise at all. They ignore Matt 28:19 in which Jesus said to use a "name," and they just "parrot" the command instead of obeying it.
Luke 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be
preached in his NAME among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
Here we have a dire warning against the trinity or anything like it.
Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 9 For in him dwelleth ALL the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
The harlot church doesn't believe that the fulness is in Jesus, they don't believe that "ye are complete in him", they teach the tradition of men from the 2nd and 3rd century.
Colossians 2:10 And ye are complete in HIM, which is the head of all principality and power:
Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
Acts 8:16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they
were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.
Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his
name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
Acts 10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the
Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
Acts 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism
of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him
which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
Colossians 3:17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name
of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.
Here are some historical references showing where tradition
replaced apostolic truth:
ENCYCLOPEDIA BRITANNICA, 11th Ed. Vol. 3 Page 365-366, "The baptismal formula was changed from the name of Jesus Christ to the words Father, Son, and Holy Ghost by the Catholic Church in the 2nd Century." Vol. 3
Page 82 "Everywhere in the oldest sources it states that baptism took place in the Name of Jesus Christ."
CANNEY ENCYCLOPEDIA OF RELIGION, Page 53 -- "The early church always baptized in the Name of Lord Jesus until the development of the trinity doctrine in the 2nd Century."
HASTINGS ENCYCLOPEDIA OF RELIGION, Vol. 2 pages 377-378-389, "The Christian baptism was administered using the Name of Jesus. The use of the trinitarian formula of any sort was not suggested in the early church history, baptism was always in the Name of the Lord Jesus, until the time of Justin Martyr when the trinity formula was used."
Hastings also said in Vol. 2 Page 377, commenting on Acts 2:38, "NAME was an ancient synonym for person. Payment was always made in the name of some person referring to ownership. Therefore one being baptized in Jesus Name became his personal property." "Ye are Christ's." I Cor. 3:23.
NEW INTERNATIONAL ENCYCLOPEDIA, Vol. 22 Page 477, "The term "trinity" was originated by Tertullain, Roman Catholic Church father."
TYNDALE NEW TESTAMENT COMMENTARIES: "... the true explanation why the early church did not at once administer baptism in the threefold name is that the words of Mat 28:19 were not meant as a baptismal formula. [Jesus] was not giving instructions about the actual words to be used in the service of baptism, but, as has already been suggested, was indicating that the baptized
person would by baptism pass into the possession of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost."
THE ENCYCLOPEDIA OF RELIGION AND ETHICS, James Hastings, p.384, "there is no evidence [in early church history] for the use of the triune name."
Revelation 17:1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great *One Who Practices the World's Oldest Profession* that sitteth upon many waters:
The RCC "sitteth on many waters", she is international.
Revelation 17:2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.
Catholic "indulgences" and false religion have made many "drunk" with her false religion.
Revelation 17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the
wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
The "beast" is the economic community that the "*One Who Practices the World's Oldest Profession*" (the RCC) rides on. The nations support the Vatican.
Revelation 17:4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
The pomp and jewelry and scarlet robes of the RCC.
Rev 17:5 And upon her forehead [was] a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
The RCC is the mother of all of the trinity denomintations.
Revelation 17:6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
No organization has murdered (as "heretics") so many real Apostolic Christians as the Roman Catholic Church! History knows no other possible organization than the RCC to fit verse Rev 17:6.
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ragman13 Labrador
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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 9:13 am Post subject: |
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Ok so tell me the sentence that is before and after every source that you quoted.
How about writing your own thoughts for an opening thread instead of copy and pasting from the website below.
http://www.prime.org/harlot.html |
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Bro. Steve Winter Big Guppy
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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 9:34 am Post subject: |
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| ragman13 wrote: |
How about writing your own thoughts for an opening thread instead of copy and pasting from the website below.
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I agree with everything I posted. I guess I hit a nerve. The same verses that save and bring encouragement to the real Christian, further enrage and condemn the false-christian and the reprobate.
Heb 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
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FFT Emperor of the Galaxy
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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 1:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Hey cool something I agree with |
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Mattathias Lion King
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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 2:56 pm Post subject: Re: Trinity worship most certainly is polytheism. Roman roo |
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| Bro. Steve Winter wrote: | | The protestants worship the same three headed idol from Rome that the Catholics do. All trinitarians are daughters of the RCC or "Catholic lite" |
Were you trying to pick a fight with Trinitarians or were you hoping to reason with them? If the former, then you just might find what you came looking for. If the later, then you might as well go ahead and throw in the towel, friend.
If you hope to persuade somone that they're mistaken about some aspect of their belief, beginning the conversation with a metaphorical punch in the nose isn't likely to gain you a fair hearing.
The remainder of your message may have contained some fine, perhaps even persuasive, arguments. I don't know. I stopped reading after your opening assault.
Is the way that you chose to engage the Trinitarians the way that you would want them to engage you? I hope they respond to you with more courtesy and compassion than you extended to them.
BTW. I'm not a Trinitarian. At the moment, I'm an embarrassed non-Trinitarian. |
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lone-traveler Emperor of the Universe
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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Brother Steve,
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No organization has murdered (as "heretics") so many real Apostolic Christians as the Roman Catholic Church! History knows no other possible organization than the RCC to fit verse Rev 17:6. |
what about these guys?
Jer 7:25 Since the day that your fathers came forth out of the land of Egypt unto this day I have even sent unto you all my servants the prophets, daily rising up early and sending them:
Jer 7:26 Yet they hearkened not unto me, nor inclined their ear, but hardened their neck: they did worse than their fathers.
Mat 23:29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
Mat 23:30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
Mat 23:31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
Mat 23:32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
Luk 11:49 Therefore also said the wisdom of God, I will send them prophets and apostles, and some of them they shall slay and persecute:
Luk 11:50 That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation;
Luk 11:51 From the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias, which perished between the altar and the temple: verily I say unto you, It shall be required of this generation.
from Abel to Zacharias..
that's a lot of blood shed..
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Bro. Steve Winter Big Guppy
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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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The people in the Old Testament were not Christians. The New Testament had not yet begin. The RCC was killing real Acts 2:38 Christians.
To the pride engorged, corrupt, spiritually unchaste who would wallow politely with the devil's servants, I offer the following.
2Cor 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
2Cor 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
One does not need to put forth much effort to "bear with" someone.
Bro. Winter |
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RevJP Moderator
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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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I tried to read the post but I got sidelined by the condemnatory use of 'real Christians' etc.
Seems to me that someone woke up one day and decided he should be God and judge the hearts of men... |
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Bro. Steve Winter Big Guppy
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Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 7:00 am Post subject: |
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| RevJP wrote: | I tried to read the post but I got sidelined by the condemnatory use of 'real Christians' etc.
Seems to me that someone woke up one day and decided he should be God and judge the hearts of men... |
Either that, or a real preacher is pointing out things that God judged before we were born.
Regarding the hearts of men, God has addressed that matter.
Jer 17:9 ¶The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
Prov 28:26 He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool: but whoso walketh wisely, he shall be delivered.
Is it better to just politely let the false-christians be deceived into the lake of fire? There are plenty of Satanic false-preachers out there for that already.
2Tim 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
2Tim 4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
The false-christian is condemned already. Is this just some little social game to you?
2Thess 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
2Thess 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: 2Thess 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
If I were to let you burn in hell without trying to warn you then your blood would be on my hands.
Ezek 3:17 Son of man, I have made thee a watchman unto the house of Israel: therefore hear the word at my mouth, and give them warning from me.
Ezek 3:18 When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.
Ezek 3:19 Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.
If the Word of God condemns you then don't blame the preacher for warning you.
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RevJP Moderator
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Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 7:09 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | There are plenty of Satanic false-preachers out there for that already. | This is true, thank you for being such a marvelous example of that truth. |
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Ana King of the Jungle
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Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 7:54 am Post subject: |
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| RevJP wrote: | | Quote: | | There are plenty of Satanic false-preachers out there for that already. | This is true, thank you for being such a marvelous example of that truth. |
| RevJP wrote: | I tried to read the post but I got sidelined by the condemnatory use of 'real Christians' etc.
Seems to me that someone woke up one day and decided he should be God and judge the hearts of men... |
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FFT Emperor of the Galaxy
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Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 11:40 am Post subject: |
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| Bro. Steve Winter wrote: | | Either that, or a real preacher is pointing out things that God judged before we were born. | I thought you were defrocked?
Also, to Ana's quotes. |
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Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Hi Brother Steve, It seems we agree. I think I'll let you do your thing, you're doing a good job. Yes you will step on a lot of toes here and a lot of nerves as long as you continue to tell the truth of the Bible and not the lies of the church. Keep it up. God Bless!!!!! |
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lone-traveler Emperor of the Universe
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Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | The people in the Old Testament were not Christians. The New Testament had not yet begin. The RCC was killing real Acts 2:38 Christians. |
Christian
The name given by the Greeks or Romans, probably in reproach, to the followers of Jesus. It was first used at Antioch. The names by which the disciples were known among themselves were “brethren,” “the faithful,” “elect,” “saints,” “believers.” But as distinguishing them from the multitude without, the name “Christian” came into use, and was universally accepted. This name occurs but three times in the New Testament (Act_11:26; Act_26:28; 1Pe_4:16).
so then there were no brethren, faithful, elect, saints, or believers...in the OT?
So the Greeks and Romans gave to followers of the Lord a name of reproach and then take back that name which was given in reproach and put it on their own heads..
Luk 6:22 Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake.
1Ti 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
Heb 13:13 Let us go forth therefore unto him without the camp, bearing his reproach.
1Pe 4:14 If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified.
reproach
G3679
ὀνειδέζω
oneidezō
on-i-did'-zo
From G3681; to defame, that is, rail at, chide, taunt: - cast in teeth, (suffer) reproach, revile, upbraid.
Rom 2:1 Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.
Rom 2:2 But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things.
Rom 2:3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?
Rom 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
Rom 2:5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
Rom 2:6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
Rom 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
Rom 2:8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
Rom 2:9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
Rom 2:10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
Rom 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
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Bro. Steve Winter Big Guppy
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Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 7:00 am Post subject: |
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| FFT wrote: | ]I thought you were defrocked?
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Nope, that is just one more lie by some false-christian dirt who couldn't defend their filthy trinity religion against the Bible, so they had to just make up lies. They found no shortage of net trash willing to republish their lies.
That is not inconsistent with the early trinitarians when they were slaughtering the real Christians.
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