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JonMarie
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 Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 2:22 am Post subject: John 8:11 |
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She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
What was the implication Jesus made by commanding her to go and sin no more? |
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JB
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| Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 3:46 am Post subject: |
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Jon Marie
Here is a thought
No man, Lord (Oudeis, Kurie) or "No one, Sir." The woman makes no excuse for her sin. The question is, "Does she recognize Jesus as "Lord"?
Jesus then says, "Neither do I condemn thee" (Oude egw se katakrinw).
This text teaches that Jesus does not condone her sin. Mark 8:15 might shed some light on the heart of Christ. For "I do not judge (condemn) any one." But Jesus does give the poor woman another chance.
Therefore He says, "sin no more" (apo tou nun mhketi amartane). It literally means (prohibition with present active imperative): "Therefore what Jesus means is no longer go on sinning." We see the same thought in Hebrews 10:26 for is we go on sinning or an act of continuing in a practice.
One can only hope that the woman was really changed in heart and life. Jesus clearly felt that even a wicked woman can be saved.
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Zathrus
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| Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 4:27 am Post subject: |
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A few thoughts:
Even if the woman stayed out of sexual sin after this incident, does anyone really believe it's likely that after this she did not sin again ever?
If not, then what are the implications of Jesus' statement?
Secondly, it's always worth noting that though Jesus was forgiving to someone caught in a moral failing but whose heart was right before God, Jesus was not so forgiving of the self righteousness and judgementalism of her accusers. May we all be quick to have compassion and slow to pass judgement.
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JB
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| Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 9:37 am Post subject: |
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Zathrus asked:
Even if the woman stayed out of sexual sin after this incident, does anyone really believe it's likely that after this she did not sin again ever?
No one lives their whole life with out sinning. I think that an attitude of willful sin is what is in question here.
Paul said in romans 7 I do the things I don't want to do and the things that I want to do I don't do. Sounds like a battle between the inner man and the outer man. Who among us doesn't fight that battle and fail occasionally?
Secondly, it's always worth noting that though Jesus was forgiving to someone caught in a moral failing but whose heart was right before God, Jesus was not so forgiving of the self righteousness and judgmentalism of her accusers. May we all be quick to have compassion and slow to pass judgment.
Amen.
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Zathrus
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| Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 1:28 pm Post subject: |
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| JB wrote: | | Who among us doesn't fight that battle and fail occasionally? |
I think each of us fail every day. And anyone who thinks they don't is kidding themselves.
Which was the reason for my question.
Jesus had just shown her grace. He'd shown her that He as the Son of God did not condemn her even though she'd done what was unlawful. It's worth noting that the law would have required for her to be killed, yet Jesus did not follow the law, and instead showed mercy, which was a higher principle in the law.
I think only under God's grace can we truly sin no more. His grace does show us to abandon wickedness, but even greater is the fact that though we in our outward man still never manage to live up to God's standard of righteousness, God does not condemn us.
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JonMarie
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| Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 2:41 pm Post subject: |
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Zathrus writes: A | Quote: | few thoughts:
Even if the woman stayed out of sexual sin after this incident, does anyone really believe it's likely that after this she did not sin again ever?
If not, then what are the implications of Jesus' statement? |
What are the implications here? Two points worth mentioning, the other woman at the well, Jesus told her that the living water would satisfy her.
Also, Jesus said to the cripple something to the effect of "go and sin no more lest a worse thing should come upon you"
Do we think that Jesus would tell her to sin no more, knowing it would be impossible, or in telling her also provide a means in which she could comply? |
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JonMarie
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| Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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Zathrus: | Quote: | | No one lives their whole life with out sinning. I think that an attitude of willful sin is what is in question here. |
Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
All of us are born with a sin nature, Jesus came to save us from our sins, not just the consequences of them.
If we are stuck in our sinful habits, how does Jesus say that He will save us from our sins? |
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Zathrus
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| Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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| JonMarie wrote: | | Do we think that Jesus would tell her to sin no more, knowing it would be impossible, or in telling her also provide a means in which she could comply? |
Nowhere did I say that I believe Jesus knew it would be impossible. In fact I believe He knew that He Himself was the only way it could be possible.
| JonMarie wrote: | | Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, |
I think I need to put up a thread on what this verse is actually talking about. I don't think the writer was writing about outward acts of sin such as sexual immorality. One of the JW's in the JW forum on this site made that same error in interpreting this verse.
Not that it has nothing to do with Jesus' words to the woman in John 8. Quite the contrary. I think the sin which Jesus told the woman to do no more is likely the same as that which the writer of Hebrews wrote about in chapter 10 verse 26.
Maybe this weekend I'll share a few thoughts on Hebrews 10:26. Until I get a chance to put that thread up, read the verse yourself, noting the context. What is the writer's topic when he wrote this? Was he discussing outward acts of sin? Or something else?
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JonMarie
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| Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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Zath, I agree and disagree...
you wrote: | Quote: | | In fact I believe He knew that He Himself was the only way it could be possible. |
I delight to agree with you here.
then you wrote: | Quote: | | I don't think the writer was writing about outward acts of sin ... |
I need to disagree here, after looking at chapter 10, I found something interesting. Someone on Bible-discussion, wish I remembered who, said that the New Kings James version was an improvement over King James. I found this to be particularily true in verse 14 of chapter 10.
KJV 14For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
New KJV 14 For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified.
are being santicified...it's like soothing medicine.
11 And every priest stands ministering daily and offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12 But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down at the right hand of God, 13 from that time waiting till His enemies are made His footstool. 14 For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified. 19 Therefore, brethren, having boldness to enter the Holiest by the blood of Jesus, 20 by a new and living way which He consecrated for us, through the veil, that is, His flesh, 21 and having a High Priest over the house of God, 22 let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water
Romans 15:16
16 that I might be a minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering of the Gentiles might be acceptable, sanctified by the Holy Spirit.
1 Cor 6:11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.
Eph 5:3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
Awaiting your interpretation.
I have a suspicion that Lone would agree with me here. |
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Silver Surfer
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| Posted: Sat May 24, 2008 6:32 am Post subject: Re: John 8:11 |
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| JonMarie wrote: | She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
What was the implication Jesus made by commanding her to go and sin no more? |
Jesus means, that sin, as by choice.
Jesus Christ had the same nature, as any man/woman.
Jesus Christ could have committed sin, at any time of HIS life, BUT, HE chose NOT TO.
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JonMarie
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| Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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SS you wrote: | Quote: | Jesus Christ had the same nature, as any man/woman.
Jesus Christ could have committed sin, at any time of HIS life, BUT, HE chose NOT TO. |
Not anyman/woman exclusively. He was fully man and fully God.
I think His life purpose was to live in obedience to the will of the Father.
I think Jesus did not have the nature of unregenerate man/woman. |
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