The Father's Commandment To Jesus

herald · Tadpole Joined: 29 Mar 2006 Posts: 27

"He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my Words, hath one that judgeth him, the Word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, He gave me a commandment, what I should say and what I should speak.

And I know that His commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak, therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak." John 12:48-50.

When Peter trusted in his own understanding, he attempted to counsel Jesus, that, He didn't need to die upon the cross. Jesus looked at him and said, "Get thee behind me, Satan...!" Mt 16:21-26.

When James and John wanted to follow the example of Elijah (denominational precedent?) and call fire down from heaven upon the Samaritans, Jesus said to them, "Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of!" Lu 9:54,55.

When Judas followed the inclination of his heart, Satan filled it and he betrayed the Lord. Lu 22:3.

These four disciples were with Jesus, 24/7, yet, when they trusted in their own understanding, became tools of Satan, who was attempting to thwart God's plan of salvation.

So, with all due respect, who do we think we are with our various denominational traditions and opinions?

Every doctrine should be studied Genesis-Revelation, before it is taught. This is not, usually, done, because of a lack of reverence for God's holy Word.

Jesus spoke, only, the Words, that, the Father gave Him to speak. "He that saith he abideth in Him, ought himself so to walk, even as He walked." 1 John 2:6.

We will, each one, answer to our Lord Jesus Christ for how we lived and presented His "God Breathed" Word to mankind. 2 Tim 3:16.

There is, only, one authority - His "God Breathed" Word.

galen · Ferret Joined: 22 May 2005 Posts: 115 Location: Maine

I agree.

Mattathias · Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 5:19 pm Post subject:

"Jesus spoke, only, the Words, that, the Father gave Him to speak."

That sounds very much like a fulfillment of Deuteronomy 18:15,18 to me.

What are we to make then of this comment from D. James Kennedy? - "Many people today think the essence of Christianity is Jesus’ teachings, but that is not so… Christianity centers not in the teachings of Jesus, but in the person of Jesus as Incarnate God who came into the world to take upon Himself our guilt and die in our place." ("How I Know Jesus Is God," Truths that Transform, 11/17/1989).

galen · Ferret Joined: 22 May 2005 Posts: 115 Location: Maine

Mattathias · Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 1:47 pm Post subject:

Galen.

Was Jesus' teaching only for the Jews? That doesn't sound right to me. Are Gentiles not to listen to Jesus and obey the words that his God and Father put into his mouth to speak? In light of the passage in Deuteronomy that doesn't seem like a wise course of action.

Would you agree that Jesus preached the gospel? Paul said that there is only one gospel. I don't believe that he preached a different gospel from the one that Jesus preached. Do you?

Mustn't we see, hear, understand and repent in response to the gospel that Jesus (and Paul) preached in order to be saved?

galen · Ferret Joined: 22 May 2005 Posts: 115 Location: Maine

Mattathias · Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 4:03 pm Post subject:

Are you saying that Gentile's need not listen to "the prophet like Moses"?

Don't listen to Jesus... unless you are Jewish?

"Jesus answered and said to him, 'If anyone loves me, he will keep my word; and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our abode with him. He who does not love me does not keep my words; and the word which you hear is not mine, but the Father's who sent me.'" (John 14:24-25)

That last comment from Jesus sounds pretty ominous. Since I'm not Jewish it doesn't apply to me? Would you advise someone like me not to listen to Jesus' words?

JB · Grizzly Bear Joined: 16 Feb 2008 Posts: 751

Matthais,

"Jesus answered and said to him, 'If anyone loves me, he will keep my word; and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our abode with him. He who does not love me does not keep my words; and the word which you hear is not mine, but the Father's who sent me.'" (John 14:24-25)

I think the confusion lies in the fact that it isn't the obedience that saves but works, is the natural result of a true conversion.

JB

galen · Ferret Joined: 22 May 2005 Posts: 115 Location: Maine

Mattathias · Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 8:34 am Post subject:

galen.

I assume your question was directed to JB rather than to me. I can't answer for JB but I would say in response to your question that faith must be accompanied by works.

"You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone." (James 2:24 NASB)

"For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead." (James 2:26)

Mattathias · Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 8:40 am Post subject:

galen.

In I Timothy 6:3-4a Paul writes,

"If anyone advocates a different doctrine and does not agree with sound words, those of our Lord Jesus Christ, and with the doctrine conforming to godliness, he is conceited and understands nothing;" (NASB)

Paul is very tough on those who don't agree with the words that Jesus spoke. Do you see Paul's comment as being directed only at Jews?

galen · Ferret Joined: 22 May 2005 Posts: 115 Location: Maine

Mattathias · Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 6:04 pm Post subject:

But surely Paul's instruction wasn't for Timothy alone. If his comment is directed to both Jews and Gentiles (as I believe it is) then Jesus' teaching, his words, his proclamation of the gospel of the kingdom, is not limited to the Jews.

JB · Grizzly Bear Joined: 16 Feb 2008 Posts: 751

Galen,

I went back and read my post and I guess it wasn't that clear.

You asked:
Are you saying that it is your works that save you?

I quoted:
I think the confusion lies in the fact that it isn't the obedience that saves but works, is the natural result of a true conversion.

It should have been:

I think that the confusion lies in the fact that it isn't obedience or works that save us, but they are a natural result of a true experience with Christ.

Sorry about the confusion.

JB

Mattathias · Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 3:59 pm Post subject:

Galen,

Luke recorded that Paul said:

"But as I do not consider my life of any account as dear to myself, so that I may finish my course and the ministry which I received from the Lord Jesus, to testify solemnly of the gospel of the grace of God. And now, behold, I know that all of you, among whom I went about preaching the kingdom, will no longer see my face." (Acts 20:24-25 NASB)

I think that it is apparent that "the gospel of the grace of God" is equivalent to "the gospel of the kingdom of God." There is only one gospel according to Paul (Galatians 1:6ff); not one for Jews and another for Gentiles.