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| How many lives have been saved by advances in biological sciences? How many of them incorporate evolution findings into their work? |
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Trinity1
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| Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 12:01 pm Post subject: |
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| admin wrote: | | How many lives have been saved by advances in biological sciences? |
Countless... no doubt...
| Quote: | | How many of them incorporate evolution findings into their work? |
Aw... ain't this the crux of the argument though... What exactly are the evolutionary findings that have advanced the 'biological sciences'? Evolution states things change. Ok... big deal... things change... meaning, a bacteria can become resistant to an antibiotic because of a mutation. The mutation is, however, always the loss or degradation of some function... thereby allowing the bacteria to survive the antibiotic. It isn't because the bacteria developed something new to fight it...
So... if evolution were truly advancing the biological sciences and saving lives we would be able to make predictions on which mutation will occur, thus allowing us to create better anti-biotics. The sad part is... it doesn't.. It does nothing to advance the biological sciences other than statingthings change. Big Whoop. They were saying that 3000 years ago.
I would like to know what does teaching someone that they came from a piece of washed up protoplasm got to do with the advancement of biological science and saving lives? Anyone? Anyone? Buller? |
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admin
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 5:41 am Post subject: |
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| Trinity, are you saying the evolution studies have not contributed to the advancement of biology? Just trying to be clear on this. |
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Bouncer
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 6:21 am Post subject: |
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| Trinity1 wrote: | | ... So... if evolution were truly advancing the biological sciences and saving lives we would be able to make predictions on which mutation will occur, thus allowing us to create better anti-biotics. ... |
The human genome has 3.2 BILLION base pairs. What formula are they going to use to predict how those BILLIONS of base pairs are going to combine? What supercomputer can make that calculation? Within an ordinary human lifetime that is.
One would have better odds of finding actual evidence of design in nature.
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Trinity1
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 6:27 am Post subject: |
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| admin wrote: | | Trinity, are you saying the evolution studies have not contributed to the advancement of biology? Just trying to be clear on this. |
What do you mean by evolution studies... specifically?
I want to be just as clear with an answer...  |
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Trinity1
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 6:30 am Post subject: |
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| Bouncer wrote: | | The human genome has 3.2 BILLION base pairs. What formula are they going to use to predict how those BILLIONS of base pairs are going to combine? What supercomputer can make that calculation? |
Thanks for making my point Sir. 
| Quote: | | One would have better odds of finding actual evidence of design in nature. |
Oh... a convert. Welcome brother! 
The point I was making is there is almost no useful utility for Darwinian Evolution when making these predictions. Therefore, the mantra of the study of evolution has somehow advanced medicine is false... period... regardless of the lipstick you try to put on the pig. |
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Bouncer
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 6:33 am Post subject: King of strawman args |
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| Trinity1 wrote: | | Bouncer wrote: | | The human genome has 3.2 BILLION base pairs. What formula are they going to use to predict how those BILLIONS of base pairs are going to combine? What supercomputer can make that calculation? |
Thanks for making my point Sir. |
I didn't make your point, I was pointing out the fallacy of your argument.
| Quote: | | Quote: | | One would have better odds of finding actual evidence of design in nature. |
Oh... a convert. Welcome brother!
The point I was making is there is almost no useful utility for Darwinian Evolution when making these predictions. Therefore, the mantra of the study of evolution has somehow advanced medicine is false... period... regardless of the lipstick you try to put on the pig. |
In your world then what scientific discipline has advanced medicine? Be specific. |
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Trinity1
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 6:48 am Post subject: Re: King of strawman args |
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| Bouncer wrote: | | In your world then what scientific discipline has advanced medicine? Be specific. |
The time honored true process of observations... hypothesis... chemistry... et. al... it has nothing to do with Darwinian Evolution. But of course... no one has tried to demonstrate how Darwinian Evolution has advanced medicine... only an assertion and the predictable indignation when questioned to demonstrate how.  |
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Trinity1 wrote: | | Bouncer wrote: | | In your world then what scientific discipline has advanced medicine? Be specific. |
The time honored true process of observations |
observation is a process not a discipline. again a process Finally a scientific discipline
| Quote: | | ... et. al... it has nothing to do with Darwinian Evolution. But of course... no one has tried to demonstrate how Darwinian Evolution has advanced medicine... only an assertion and the predictable indignation when questioned to demonstrate how. |
sure |
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FFT
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 2:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Trinity1 wrote: | | The point I was making is there is almost no useful utility for Darwinian Evolution when making these predictions. Therefore, the mantra of the study of evolution has somehow advanced medicine is false... period... regardless of the lipstick you try to put on the pig. |
There's not much utility in getting into space, but the technologies that result from the work to get to that point are extremely useful.
There's an analogy there ... |
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Trinity1
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Bouncer wrote: | | Quote: | | ... et. al... it has nothing to do with Darwinian Evolution. But of course... no one has tried to demonstrate how Darwinian Evolution has advanced medicine... only an assertion and the predictable indignation when questioned to demonstrate how. |
sure |
Wow... another post devoid of an answer... this has become... well... almost predictable.  |
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Trinity1
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| FFT wrote: | | Trinity1 wrote: | | The point I was making is there is almost no useful utility for Darwinian Evolution when making these predictions. Therefore, the mantra of the study of evolution has somehow advanced medicine is false... period... regardless of the lipstick you try to put on the pig. |
There's not much utility in getting into space, but the technologies that result from the work to get to that point are extremely useful.
There's an analogy there ... |
Hmmm... I'm onto sometihng here. This is the 5th post without even an attempt to answer what should be a seemingly easy question. |
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FFT
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| The technological and scientific advances due to work on the theory of evolution have become so subsumed into the whole of biology and other sciences that it's pretty difficult to come up with anything specific since there isn't some single organization that's done most of the work that's kept track of all of their inventions (unlike NASA). |
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Trinity1
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| Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 4:47 am Post subject: |
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| FFT wrote: | | The technological and scientific advances due to work on the theory of evolution have become so subsumed into the whole of biology and other sciences that it's pretty difficult to come up with anything specific since there isn't some single organization that's done most of the work that's kept track of all of their inventions (unlike NASA). |
Number 6... 
However, there is something pretty telling about this post. FFT is admitting the very thing Ana is trying to deny over in the Who here believes in evolution thread. As I have asserted before... ToE does carry into the other fields of science... abiogenesis being one of them... yet, Evolutionists seem to get all bent out of shape when they are told said supposition when it demonstrates the depravity of the theory itself.
Thanks FFT! |
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holly102869
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| Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 5:12 am Post subject: |
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Genesis chapter 1
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and earth.
2 The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.
So the rock we now call Earth was here. It was dead. Now alive through the Power and Glory of God.
So it is possible that at some point and time life had been here once before. Ofcourse it is.....
Wow, could both sides be right? |
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