Poll: Who here believes in evolution?

lone-traveler · Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 5:30 pm Post subject:

can I vote yes and no?..

Ecc 3:18 I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.
Ecc 3:19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all [is] vanity.
Ecc 3:20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.
Ecc 3:21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?

The bible says we all come from the same dust of the earth..so genetically speaking we are all made up physically of the same stuff..but there is something which seperates mankind from animal kind..and science doesn't explain this..so yes we all evolve from the same genetic material, but no we are different in intelligence, knowledge, spiritually..

I guess what 45 and RevJp said is how I would vote too.

I think the spirit is unique in man and seperates us from other animals. Not so much the physical attributes.
And is man the only species that walks upright?
I believe this "image" of uprightness is supposed to seperate us from those who walk on all fours or crawl on their bellies..even apes and monkeys walk with their hands..

Ecc 7:29 Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions.

I see the pictures of evolution..how beginning as an ape and progressing to an upright position of human there is a changing of stature.
Maybe it is this stature which seperates mankind from animals..
Stature
hēlikia
1) age, time of life
a) age, term or length of life
b) adult age, maturity
c) suitable age for anything
d) metaph. of an attained state fit for a thing
2) stature, i.e in height and comeliness of stature

and we are told that God made man on the sixth day..however long that is..could be a real long time or a very short time when considering eternity..
Maybe when we attained the state fit for a thing..this thing was the spirit that makes us different from animals.

sorry long post, I'm just trying to explain how I can understand the progression from a physical beast which we all are and originated from to a seperate and unique creature which attained a new stature.

We are told that God (which is Spirit) breathed into the nostrils of Adam (man)..before, this man(beast) and animal (beast) shared the same breath but after this they didn't share the same spirit.
something changed..

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

and here again when man is breathed upon:

Jhn 20:21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace [be] unto you: as [my] Father hath sent me, even so send I you.
Jhn 20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on [them], and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:

In the OT we see that God gave wisdom and understanding and knowledge to mankind..

Dan 5:11 There is a man in thy kingdom, in whom [is] the spirit of the holy gods; and in the days of thy father light and understanding and wisdom, like the wisdom of the gods, was found in him; whom the king Nebuchadnezzar thy father, the king, [I say], thy father, made master of the magicians, astrologers, Chaldeans, [and] soothsayers;

and what Dust said here:

If the 'Evolution vs. Creation Argument' is characterized as Fact vs. mere belief, and this characterization takes hold, then it could lead to an unjustified global paradigm-shift regarding the basis of reality. Such a shift taken to it's literal extreme could and/or would halt the worldwide advancement towards the goals of Christianity. Take this force out of the world, and conceivably there would be a worldwide shift back to mans most unpleasant former barbaric ways. As it is we have not completely separated from these former ways, but we have, at present, and to some degree, moved away from these former barbaric ways (not withstanding the occasions in-which the advancement of Christian goals seems to become either stagnat or takes a step back, as history, and even personal experience attests).

I found these verses:

Isa 11:2 And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD;
Isa 33:6 And wisdom and knowledge shall be the stability of thy times, [and] strength of salvation: the fear of the LORD [is] his treasure.

meaning that if we believe that we are no different from animals then we would lose our "advanced" position. Our "stature", our "maturity".
We would be no different than barbaric animals.

I don't have a problem with evolution..I believe Man was "created" to "evolve"..
if that makes sense..

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PrysdieHeer! · Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 6:00 pm Post subject:

Lone if you were to vote both yes and no you don`t know what evolution is about.
Creation States: God Created man after His own Image.
Evolution States: a Rock turned into a soup. The soup came alive and over millions of years magically turned into man - - No God required.
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admin · Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 6:22 pm Post subject:

I have never heard an evolutionist say what you said.
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FFT · Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 2:43 pm Post subject:

Or perhaps you simply don't understand what it actually states?

No, never. Of course not.
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FFT · Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 5:56 pm Post subject:

At this point it's not really worth a substantive response since they just go ignored anyway, so
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