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PrysdieHeer!
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PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2008 6:15 pm    Post subject: Am I the only YEC here? Reply with quote

It seems like the few creationists here are OECs.
There is vere few YECs on this board why is that?
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FFT
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PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2008 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Because geologists figured out that the Earth was pretty old long before Darwin came on the scene.
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PrysdieHeer!
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PostPosted: Sun May 18, 2008 4:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

FFT wrote:
Because geologists figured out that the Earth was pretty old long before Darwin came on the scene.

Clearly they were wrong.
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45degreeN
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PostPosted: Sun May 18, 2008 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't really know just what your ideas are of what an young Earth means (6000 years, or 100,000 years) I guess anything longer would not mean a young Earth would it. My guess is that most Christians will settle for some longer period of time without belaboring the point.

Evolution's supporters have much more important issues to deal with and it would probably take an complete order of magnitude longer than even the geologist have estimated to offer enough time for the forces of evolution to do its work without some "directing entity"

Bishop Usher was the one who developed the 4004BC date but he has been discredited by other Bible scholars (forgetting briefly the other critics). He skipped generations and could not tell sons from fathers, grandfathers from fathers and no one (well maybe only a few fanatics) accepts his counting the generations as determinative.

As far as my own views are concerned I just don't bother with the Young Earth theory, I concentrate on those other issues.
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ragman13
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PostPosted: Sun May 18, 2008 10:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

45D wrote:

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As far as my own views are concerned I just don't bother with the Young Earth theory, I concentrate on those other issues.


This is also my view.
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FFT
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PostPosted: Sun May 18, 2008 11:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PrysdieHeer! wrote:
FFT wrote:
Because geologists figured out that the Earth was pretty old long before Darwin came on the scene.
Clearly they were wrong.
True, there can't possibly be any chance that you're wrong.
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PostPosted: Sun May 18, 2008 6:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Am I the only YEC here? Reply with quote

PrysdieHeer! wrote:
There is vere few YECs on this board why is that?


It's not even really a debatable topic. Really. It's just flat out not true.

I also think it does great harm to people that are interested in learning about Christianity. Thinking people here about young earth and go, "No, Thanks".

Not good for bringing people into the flock, in my not so humble opinion.
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luvnlife
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PostPosted: Sun May 18, 2008 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would probably be considered a YEC. Most YEC's believe the earth is about 6,000 years old. I believe it's about twice that.

I, however, am not willing to debate this topic as I feel it's an utter waste of my time. It's a fruitless discussion that just ends up in a shouting match so why bother?

No offense intended. I hope none was taken.

Luv
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FFT
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PostPosted: Sun May 18, 2008 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not to debate, but why 12,000? I'm honestly quite curious.
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PrysdieHeer!
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PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 11:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

FFT wrote:
PrysdieHeer! wrote:
FFT wrote:
Because geologists figured out that the Earth was pretty old long before Darwin came on the scene.
Clearly they were wrong.
True, there can't possibly be any chance that you're wrong.

There is no possible way the Bible is wrong.
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ragman13
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PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 11:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PrysdieHeer! wrote:
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There is no possible way the Bible is wrong.

PrysdieHeer! I believe that you are confusing the infallibility of the Bible with your self. You are not infallible are you? FFT wrote "any chance that you're wrong"
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PrysdieHeer!
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PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 1:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Am I the only YEC here? Reply with quote

admin wrote:
PrysdieHeer! wrote:
There is vere few YECs on this board why is that?


It's not even really a debatable topic. Really. It's just flat out not true.

I also think it does great harm to people that are interested in learning about Christianity. Thinking people here about young earth and go, "No, Thanks".

Not good for bringing people into the flock, in my not so humble opinion.

Do you have any idea how much lives are destroyed by this evolution and old earth nonsense.
We should believe the Bible as it is. 2Cor1:13
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ragman13
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PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 1:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Prys. Is a YEC really something to be arguing about? Why not show that there is a God, that Jesus rose from the dead, and that we need forgiveness for our sins instead of arguing about YEC or OEC?

Titus 3:9 "But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and strife and disputes about the Law, for they are unprofitable and worthless." (NASB)
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luvnlife
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PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've actually had a little time to think about this and have come to the conclusion that I am not sure about the age of the earth.

I do believe that mankind has occupied the earth for about 6,000 to 7,000 years based on the biblical history.

However, Genesis says In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.

What day was mankind created and how long is a day to God?

The fact that mankind was created thousands of years after God started making changes to the earth puts the earth at about 12,000 years minimum.

However, ........ In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep but the EARTH had been created.

Yes, God made many changes to it but I think we (mankind) always assumes that the earth was created just before we were. That may not be so. How much time elapsed from "In the beginning" to the time when God proclaimed "Let there be light" and light came to be?

I thought that I might be considered a YEC but the more thought I have put in to this question, the more I wonder if the earth existed long before many Christians, myself included, believes it did.

I don't, however, believe that our (mankinds) existence extends back more than about 6,000 or 7,000 years.

Does this make sense to you, PrysdieHeer!? I hope I have explained it clearly.

Thanks,

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Negative Overload
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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2008 6:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Do you have any idea how much lives are destroyed by this evolution and old earth nonsense.


How many? You have any, you know, statistics or facts to back this up?
Or is this just another case where we're supposed to swallow whatever you cast out, hook line and sinker?

The argument "The Bible's true because the Bible says it is" is one of the all-time great circular arguments, I think.
Is this why Prys' arguments tend to fall along similar lines, I wonder?



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