144,000 Virgin Males? ... (Revived and Revisited)

lone-traveler · Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 7:59 am Post subject:

Maybe the 144,000 are those firstfruit which came out from under the law and was baptised by John.
and Jesus says..
other sheep have I that are not of this fold..
yeah like the wave offerings they come in droves.

One thing we should keep in mind, i think, in my opinion that is, although it is written the same..is that, many who seek to be first shall be last and the last shall be first.

and there also is a parable many know as the good Samaritan. And we can put any name or religion on those who just walk on by. But there are only a few who are willing to put aside their hmm religion and be a friend of one who is of another religion.
I think the good Samaritan realised that humanity comes before all else. And that whether one is Jew or Greek or Baptist, or JW, or Catholic, or whatever makes the least bit of difference to God. And what really makes a difference is when they choose above their differences to help each other.
So who was a neighbour to that man who was wounded and left for dead?..why, it was a heathen believe it or not. who may or may not have kept pagan holidays and birthdays or believed in buddha or astrology..gee, we may never know what his "religion" was..
but what we do now is that he followed his heart..and God was already there showing him the way. Wink

And maybe in that day..before this new day came on Pentecost there were only 144,000 which heard.

But God just loves playing with numbers and his favorite is "multiply, multiply, multiply".. Very Happy

sad to say, but maybe one day we will all have an opportunity to be that Samaritan, and we will have to choose whether to help, or just walk on by..

whether we are going to come out of this world's system of I'm better than you, I'm elected your not, who's going to sit on the right or the left..
maybe someday we will learn that there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek, the men and the women, the rich and the poor, those who keep holidays pagan or not and those who don't, those who are vegetarians and those who eat meat..I mean, the list can be very very long...
And set aside our petty differences and out of compassion and love for humanity's sake, learn to help one another as that Samaritan did..
And we call him "good". and their is none good but God, so by this we know who was leading this man huh?

some day..
I have hope..
and I have faith, that he who said these things would be so, will make good on his word. And we will see it with our own eyes.
Amen.

And TBax:

Luvnlife · Lion King Joined: 22 Feb 2007 Posts: 1202 Location: US

Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 5:51 am Post subject:

lone-traveler · Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 2:28 pm Post subject:

Jam 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, [and] to keep himself unspotted from the world.

may not be perfect but it's pure..from the heart.. Wink

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lone-traveler · Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 9:29 pm Post subject:

You remember the verse about the 700 who didn't bow their knee to Baal?
I believe the 144,000 are those who didn't bow down to the Jewish System in the days of John the Baptist.
Notice they are there before everyone else..
that's what I think. And the other thing to consider is that they are not all chosen from "one" tribe but from all 12. Now there are multitudes of others which come later from every nation and tongue..
but these 144,000 are the firstfruit of the Tribes of Israel.
thinking these might be the 12 manner of fruits on the trees by the river..
which feed and heal the nations..

Miss you sis,
hope all is well.
hugs
lone
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TBax · King of the Jungle Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Posts: 1970

Daystar,

Hi,

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luvnlife,

Daystar · Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 7:51 am Post subject:

TBax,

Hello,

TBax · King of the Jungle Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Posts: 1970

Daystar,

Or is it David?
The notion of the annointed is scriptural. The notion that they would be present during "the Lord's Day" is scriptural. That remnant is the Generation that will not pass away until all these things occur. Cool

lone-traveler · Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 9:18 am Post subject:

The interesting thing though is those who thought themselves anointed in the synagogue were the first to get thrown "out" of the kingdom.

Those who called themselves Jews and were not, but were of the synagogue of Satan.

Man does not anoint man..it is God who anoints us with his oil and his spirit.

I was baptised (sprinkled) in the catholic church. I was baptised (submerged) in the baptists church at 17. And neither one of these actually persuaded me to do good. Actually, I was a very unruly child, and as a teenager young adult, very worldly and promiscuous. So neither of those manly baptisms changed my character.
But what did change me was when God baptised me with his spirit..all by himself. He didn't need no man to circumcise my heart. He didn't need no man to create in me a new heart and a new mind. It was the Lord himself which supplied these things which we have need of.
And if we think we can get them from men and their works then we deceive ourselves.

Now if someone stands there and says..only those who are anointed by a priest in such and such a church is truly anointed of the Lord..I say..this is a lie. and I have the proof within myself. And I knowand am persuaded of the Lord himself that this is true. And I need no man to teach me these things because the Lord himself teaches me all things as I have need.

Now if someone else wantts to rely on man's works to perform these things to them, I say all the luck to ya. And I'll pray for you. Because all works needed are performed in the spirit and no man can reach your spirit except God himself.

Any man claiming that they have power over your salvation is a lie. Only God has all power and all rights over you. Because he baught you with his own blood. And his own spirit anoints us. And his own sword circumcises our hearts.
Any of these operations which men claim thay have the ability to do are liars.

Nevertheless...
I love them and I pray for them. That they will see themselves as men and beasts before the Lord and submit to him and his good works. And not be led by their own unprofitable and unrighteous ways.

TBax:

Daystar · Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 10:00 am Post subject:

Nobby · Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 10:13 am Post subject:

Read Rev. 7 about the 144.000. Very Happy

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lone-traveler · Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 1:44 pm Post subject:

Thankyou Nobby..

Rev 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: [and there were] sealed an hundred [and] forty [and] four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
Rev 7:5 Of the tribe of Juda [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad [were] sealed twelve thousand.
Rev 7:6 Of the tribe of Aser [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses [were] sealed twelve thousand.
Rev 7:7 Of the tribe of Simeon [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar [were] sealed twelve thousand.
Rev 7:8 Of the tribe of Zabulon [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin [were] sealed twelve thousand.

The Gentiles come later.

Mar 1:4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.
Mar 1:5 And there went out unto him all the land of Judaea, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins.

Luk 7:26 But what went ye out for to see? A prophet? Yea, I say unto you, and much more than a prophet.
Luk 7:27 This is [he], of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.
Luk 7:28 For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.
Luk 7:29 And all the people that heard [him], and the publicans, justified God, being baptized with the baptism of John.
Luk 7:30 But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized of him.

Rev 14:1 ¶ And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty [and] four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
Rev 14:2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:
Rev 14:3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred [and] forty [and] four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
Rev 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, [being] the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
Rev 14:5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.

This prophecy was fulfilled by those whom John Baptised:

Hbr 8:7 ¶ For if that first [covenant] had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
Hbr 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Hbr 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
Hbr 8:10 For this [is] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Hbr 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
Hbr 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

Read Revelation 7 concerning those under the old covenant..then read chapter 14 concerning those under the new covenant..

remember John when He is relating the events in the book of revelation. These are things which have been, things, which are, and things which shall be?

John came preaching in the wilderness the baptism of water which brought forth a clean conscience..
this is the was.

The is, is the tribulation those had to endure for being baptized. And the tribulations and trials came from the priests and pharisees which judged them and sent out ones like Saul to slay them before they could take root and grow.

The will be is the fulfillment of that prophecy when Jesus himself covered them in his own blood and purged them with his spirit creating in them clean hearts and clean hands and new minds. They were sealed with the Holy spirit. After they repented.

And these 144,000 justified God, because his judgment was good and just and true. That they were sinners and in order to come into God's kingdom they would have to remain"virgins" or true to God through faith.
Which meant they would have to endure trials and tribulations because they had broken the first covenant they had to pay for it by eating what they had sown..their prodigy and fruit and brothers and families turned on them and delivered them up for prosecution and death.
These were the very fruits they made for themselves and now they were going to reap their rewards.
But God is faithful and he sees us through these times and through these trials which test our faith and make us strong..
and so we see that in the end, those who were baptised of John and heard the word of faith, repented were persecuted,
and were raised again in glory.

These are the firstfruit, the 144,000 of those who came out of Babylon.. of Israel and Judah..

all of Israel could have been saved that day, but they chose to harden their hearts and stiffen their necks.

you see, many were called, but few were chosen.
now where did these 144,000 go?

they are the brothers and sisters who began the church in the days of pentecost.
And we Gentiles through faith are adopted into those same promises with them. And so we see 144,000 firstfruits..which bear fruit..and these are the multitudes which stand before the Lord.

They are the true 144,000 firstfruits and we are the works or fruit of them which sowed the seeds of faith, to our fathers, and their fathers before them.

Because they remained true to the faith and remained undefiled from the world.

To claim that anyone today is of the 144,000 who are seen in chapter 14, is to claim that they are of the very children (seed) of their faith they themselves claimed as the children of Abraham. And these are the multitudes of all nations, kindreds, and tongues throughout the whole world.
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Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

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TBax · King of the Jungle Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Posts: 1970

David,

Hi, Very Happy