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Vibrate · Little Hamster Joined: 12 Apr 2008 Posts: 77

I hope to start up an internet-based ministry. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God, and we need to hear so that we can understand. There are so many lies and false ways of thinking in the "christian community" that I need to speak up.
Basically what you'll hear me saying is that the true God is God of nature, showing us the true nature of life, and ourselves, and the universe. You'll hear me focus always on the natural things that we all know life are about - wisdom, guidance, power, freedom, prosperity, which constitute the fullness of life, which God offers through his word.
It is a fact that as we increase in knowledge we must put away the thinking that brought us to that stage of being able to increase. Evolution is revolution, and it is the nature of progress that it destroys icons that were previously thought beneficial. So I'll be attacking many of the views and teachings that many may consider to be fundamental and essential parts of true doctrine. This is the only way it can be, and is not meant to offend or doubt the integrity and good intentions of those who have taught and continue to teach the ideas that are not correct.
The purpose of my statements is always only to build in truth, to empower the word of God in the human world, and thereby to eliminate any false conceptions. The purpose is always life, and the fullness of life, so that we may live and enjoy the blessings of the way of life. Let righteousness cover the earth. Amen.

lone-traveler · Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 2:08 pm Post subject:

Hi Vibrate,
nice to meet you.
I'm sure this will be an interesting aproach.. Very Happy

Hugs
lone

Vibrate · Little Hamster Joined: 12 Apr 2008 Posts: 77

It is interesting how the mind works - programmed along certain lines. More and more I realize that words and teachings cannot bring anyone to the truth; but only God can make it happen.
When I talk in the forums, it is from the perspective of the spiritual reality, the reality of God. But due to the way things run, it sounds so strange to people, and the easiest thing is to go away with the wrong idea.
When I talk about the importance of the law of God, many times people assume that I am not talking about the spirit of God, which is the source of that law. This is because of the way the world has run. Historically when someone talks about the law it has been because they do not appreciate the Gospel. So now we end up unable to unite around the banner of God's word, simply because of the mistakes made when people have historically misunderstood the true nature of the law.
Before, they thought that the law of God could be something carnal. So every concept they associated with the law was false.
When I speak plainly, my words seem strange, or ignorant, and people often assume that my thinking is false. But the truth is that the rules that govern creation are simple:
- Do good and good will come to you.
- Knowledge is power.
- Power establishes life, and life in its fullness.
The kingdom that we're talking about is real, and practical, and it is here and now, not a dream in a galaxy far a way, long ago, or in the distant future. We're talking about real life, not theories and concepts. I see the kingdom of God everywhere, all the time, constantly, in everything. Where is it? It is here. Why can't someone else see it? Well, that's the question. That's the question. The mystery - false thinking, illusion. Where does it come from, how does it work?
Human thinking avails nothing. Our powers of reasoning are worthless on their own. But God's word speaks through our power of reasoning. The heart is worthless and lacks direction on its own. But God's word speaks in the heart, and gives it direction. A man is nothing, but God's word lives in Him, and He is God.
We cannot mince words any longer. Let the truth stand, and let the heathen scatter now. They always try to figure it out, to find the truth, and to learn how it works. But all this effort is in vain. Only God reveals the mystery of the faith, and unveils the truth about the mystery Babylon, which keeps them in confusion. Those with ears to hear will hear, and know. It is so, and we need no acknowledgment or recognition from men for us to know that we know what we know. The truth is truth because of its own merit, and what has been revealed in us is real because of its nature. There is nothing to say, nothing to teach, nothing to convince, nothing to promote. Only judgment remains. Let the truth be revealed.

lone-traveler · Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 3:24 am Post subject:

Hi vibrate,

here is a peak into my heart and mind. And you will see how we say the same thing only in different words.

Go back and read the last post you wrote. And everywhere you wrote God..replace it with Love.
This is how I see the Kingdom of God here and now and real and not some far away unattainable destination.

God Bless
lone

Vibrate · Little Hamster Joined: 12 Apr 2008 Posts: 77

Cool. Yes, God is Love, so that always works. Thanks. By the way, you can use many words, which are some of the names of God - peace, truth, the Way, trust, dignity, life.
Our goal is to put away the unnatural, false teachings that keep us bound in captivity. Nature is free, and beautiful (three more of His names - nature, free, beautiful).
You sound like a true revolutionary. I'm sure you'll agree with this then:
Our goal, the purpose and result of God's word in our lives, is to establish truth in every element of our lives, so that we return fully to the natural Way that is our inheritance, as His children.
What I have found is that in articulating and promoting this objective, we come face to face with the bizarre character of the illusion, which twists everything. When people hear me saying that God's word is practical, they usually feel that I'm talking about works, or a materialistic perspective - worldiness.
At this moment, I am seeking God's guidance and counsel about this issue. The question is: How can I teach, articulate, promote, advertise, market God's kingdom in such a way that the message does not stumble because of this type of roadblock? I believe that through careful study this can be achieved, and the result will be world unity. People only resist the Way because those who know the Way have been unable to present the truth in a palatable form.
If you're willing, I would like for us to discuss the nature of Babylon's authority. Specifically, I would like to discuss this from the perspective of marketing the Way, the word of God. I see that the market is there, but we need to create the demand, and bring the consumer together with the product (this is the definition of marketing, bring the consumer to the product, and vice versa). Babylon exists simply because of the principle of dividing the consumer from the product, and I believe that by study and analysis we can learn how to break that power down to nothing.
Want to give it a try? Anyone else interested? If there's anyone at all interested, maybe we can start up a private study thread for that... is that the right place for it?

lone-traveler · Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 7:06 pm Post subject:

Hi Vibrate

Vibrate · Little Hamster Joined: 12 Apr 2008 Posts: 77

Vibrate · Little Hamster Joined: 12 Apr 2008 Posts: 77

Smile. Show a happy side. Don't criticize. Never, ever show that you're angry. That's what the false teacher says. I was watching Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe, a great classic I used to read when I was learning to read... and I remembered a great saying in Narnia, "Remember, Aslan is not a tame lion." C.S. Lewis really had it going on.
But not in the church. There it's full of plastic smiles and false praise. No-one has the courage to make a stand unless the preacher says so, and they hear a large percentage of preachers saying the same thing.
Basically, the concept of Christianity that is peddled in most churches has the attraction of a bright, shiny glass to a child. Smile, turn the other cheek, don't be rebellious, obey the rules, bear it and grin.
Man, if I was a false leader, I would sponsor the churches big time. Free brainwashing services every Sunday.

lone-traveler · Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 2:59 pm Post subject:

Vibrate · Little Hamster Joined: 12 Apr 2008 Posts: 77

No my friend, plastic is plastic. I'm not trying to be a judge of character by saying this, but simply pointing out a fact of nature. God made us to smile when we feel like it, and any system that forces people to smile when they don't want to is just false.
Of course, true believers and those who don't know have to obey the same false system many times, which is a great shame.
What bothers me is that you can go into a place called "the house of the lord" and they do not teach God's natural law, and actually they act like the false system of thinking is the right way. Just a big shame... Why don't they teach that a smile is what it is, instead of bowing to foolish, carnal notions?

lone-traveler · Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 4:13 am Post subject:

Hi vibrate,

what do you mean by God's "natural" law?

there is a natural law and a spritual law.
The natural law is only skin deep..(thus, plastic faces).
But the spiritual law reaches down into the very motivations of the spirit which move us. It's this spiritual law that changes peoples thinking, their hearts and minds. But the natural law only changes the outward appearances.

The whole NT is an example of the difference between those who walk by the natural law and those who walk in the spirit of the law.
Those differences are no different today than they was then. They only change the names.

Most religions today are only skin deep(plastic). They don't address the spiritual issues that will solve the problems today. They are more concerned with the outward appearance than the state of decay in their spirits.

The only way to market the truth is to walk in it yourself.
And when they see what you have, then they will see the plastic for what it is.
Because true spiritual contentment can not be stolen or taken away. We don't put our faith in carnal things because we know that they are only temporary. But true spiritual peace is permanent.
And today there is no peace in the hearts and minds of millions of people who follow those who do not have this peace in themselves.
How can they teach it, if they don't know it?

Why do people go to church?
What are they hoping to find?
why haven't they found it?
Why is the world the way it is today?
If there are millions of people which go to church each week and proffess they know the Lord, then why is the world in the state it's in today?
what's missing?

hugs vibrate
lone

Virbate · Ferret Joined: 20 May 2008 Posts: 123

Lone Said:

lone-traveler · Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 7:15 am Post subject:

falling faces..just thinking on the lines of natural expressions, which are generated from the spirit within.

reminds me of when God asked Cain:
Gen 4:6 And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?

countenance..wow this has a lot of meanings in it:

H6440
פּנים
pânîym
paw-neem'
Plural (but always used as a singular) of an unused noun (פּנה pâneh, paw-neh'; from 6437); the face (as the part that turns); used in a great variety of applications (literally and figuratively); also (with prepositional prefix) as a preposition (before, etc.): - + accept, a (be-) fore (-time), against, anger, X as (long as), at, + battle, + because (of), + beseech, countenance, edge, + employ, endure, + enquire, face, favour, fear of, for, forefront (-part), form (-er time, -ward), from, front, heaviness, X him (-self), + honourable, + impudent, + in, it, look [-eth] (-s), X me, + meet, X more than, mouth, of, off, (of) old (time), X on, open, + out of, over against, the partial, person, + please, presence, prospect, was purposed, by reason, of, + regard, right forth, + serve, X shewbread, sight, state, straight, + street, X thee, X them (-selves), through (+ -out), till, time (-s) past, (un-) to (-ward), + upon, upside (+ down), with (-in, + stand), X ye, X you.

fallen:

H5307
נפל
nâphal
naw-fal'
A primitive root; to fall, in a great variety of applications (intransitively or causatively, literally or figuratively): - be accepted, cast (down, self, [lots], out), cease, die, divide (by lot), (let) fail, (cause to, let, make, ready to) fall (away, down, -en, -ing), fell (-ing), fugitive, have [inheritamce], inferior, be judged [by mistake for H6419], lay (along), (cause to) lie down, light (down), be (X hast) lost, lying, overthrow, overwhelm, perish, present (-ed, -ing), (make to) rot, slay, smite out, X surely, throw down.

wroth is pretty interesting too:

H2734
חרה
chârâh
khaw-raw'
A primitive root (compare H2787); to glow or grow warm; figuratively (usually) to blaze up, of anger, zeal, jealousy: - be angry, burn, be displeased, X earnestly, fret self, grieve, be (wax) hot, be incensed, kindle, X very, be wroth. See H8474.

Virbate · Ferret Joined: 20 May 2008 Posts: 123

Lone said:

Nobby · Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 10:15 am Post subject:

Virbate, I sent you a PM about your account! Please read it. Very Happy

Nobby