1Cr 15:28

TBax · King of the Jungle Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Posts: 1903

Vibrate,
The scriptures do not reveal a trinity. The one working together with God doesn't make that one God. Confused or disgusted

1 Cor 8: 6 there is actually to us one God the Father, out of whom all things are, and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are, and we through him.

John 1:1 In [the] beginning the Word was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.
From the original word structure, Greek speaking people would have understood that The Word was not "the God". Cool

John 17:20 “I make request, not concerning these only, but also concerning those putting faith in me through their word; 21 in order that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in union with me and I am in union with you, that they also may be in union with us,
If unity means they are the same person, then the disciples become God as well. Now you know that is not true. Working together with God doesn't make you God!!!

Vibrate · Little Hamster Joined: 12 Apr 2008 Posts: 77

Don't worry, you'll get to understand one day. But you have to go through some processing to remove the arrogance. In order to learn someone has to come to a place where the acknowledge that they don't know, and this is only possible when they come face to face with the reality that they have been deceived.
Basically, what I'm saying is that without shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins. You're not able to hear, because you've shut people out from your mind. So the only way to reach you is through hardship. But one way or the other we cannot continue to allow you to talk about God with empty words. It is no longer going to be allowed, this practice of reading the bible, interpreting, and promoting one view without being willing to listen, truly listen, and investigate impartially with a clear conscience of scientific method. When you close your mind to this process of dialectic and honest research, you will be shut off from the fullness of life, and will suffer for it, until you change.
So when it happens, just remember; don't be afraid, because you have heard the truth, and just need to give it a chance - really test it instead of hardening your mind, and remaining arrogant.

Pete · Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 3:26 pm Post subject:

Vibrate, you need to apply the above to yourself. The Bible nowhere describes God as an Athanasian Trinity. If you are interested in the Doctrine of Christ himself, then I recommend you read 2 John 9-10;

"Whosoever transgresseth, and ABIDETH NOT IN THE DOCTRINE OF CHRIST , hath not God. He that abideth in the DOCTRINE OF CHRIST, he hath both the FATHER and the SON."

10 "If there come any on to you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed."

1 John 2:22-23; "Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is ANTICHRIST, that denieth the FATHER and the SON."

23 "Whosoever denieth the SON, the same hath not the FATHER: but he that acknowledgeth the SON hath the FATHER also."

24 "Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye shall continue in the SON and in the FATHER."

The Doctrine of Jesus, and John, acknowledges the FATHER and the SON only!! There is no mention of a third person coequal Holy Ghost. Trinitarians teach a false God and a false Gospel. They do not teach the doctrine of Christ, and as stated above, they are antichrist.

lone-traveler · Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 4:26 pm Post subject:

Jhn 14:26 But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Jhn 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, [even] the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

Jhn 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

How can trinitarians be antichrists if they believe in the Father and the Son and the Spirit of Truth?

and what of this verse:

Mar 3:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:

Now I'm not necessarily trinitarian and I'm not necessarily not trinitarian..it justs seems calling other's antichrist because they believe in the father son and holy spirit..which Jesus himself says he will send to us in His name and when He comes He will teach us all things..even though I believe "he" is a "she" nevertheless, we shouldn't go calling people antichrists if they believe in Christ in the first place right?
Doesn't Jesus say, that those who are with him are not against him???
Now if they denied him I'd say you might have a point, but they aren't denying anyone, they are including all. isn't that a good thing? to leave no one out? rather than leave someone out?

It's way too easy to make enemies, it sure is harder to make friends..isn't it?

but we could try...maybe huh?

maybe.. Confused or disgusted

hugs
lone

Vibrate · Little Hamster Joined: 12 Apr 2008 Posts: 77

Pete · Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 5:26 pm Post subject:

lone-traveler · Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 3:07 am Post subject:

Hi Pete,
God Bless You.
I know you know my heart.. Very Happy

TBax · King of the Jungle Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Posts: 1903

Vibrate,

Vibrate · Little Hamster Joined: 12 Apr 2008 Posts: 77

Pete · Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 6:54 pm Post subject:

Lone, I think it’s one thing to show concern for people in need an unbiased manner, but it is another to sit calmly by when institutions and self- appointed leaders abuse their positions and lead people astray. In Jesus day, those who abused their positions for personal gain and power were the Jewish priests, Scribes, Pharisees and Sadducees. They not only enslaved the people materially, but also spiritually with their man-made tradition.

In Matthew 23 Jesus wasted no words in condemning their actions and their pompous, self-righteous behavior. They used their positions to enslave the masses, while lining their pockets with gold. In fact, Jesus spent a good third of his time castigating the Jewish leadership in no uncertain terms. It's interesting that gentile Christianity has fallen into the same condition as the Judaism of Jesus' day.

One can demonstrate love in many ways, but at the same time, it involves pointing out sin when it raises its ugly head. I have a lot of Catholic, Protestant and even atheist friends, but when the issue of religion comes up, especially Biblical Christianity, I think it’s important to defend the truth of Scripture, especially when someone, knowingly or unknowingly, twists it to say what it doesn’t. You kind of remind me of my wife, who gets on my case for taking issue with folks when the subject of religion or their church comes up.

Often, I get the argument;”Well, you are only one person, and you don’t even belong to a church, and I belong to a church with millions of members led by pastors with doctorate degrees.” Apparently numbers are more important than facts. I’ve been of the opinion for a long time that majority opinion is almost always wrong. I will say that I have never been offended when others disagree with me, and even get personally objectionable. It’s always an indication that the have no solid argument.

Incidentally, I would try to lift a rock off of anyone, especially a theological one. Take care, Pete

lone-traveler · Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 8:53 pm Post subject:

Hi Pete,
I don't belong to a church either. Except the spiritual church..the one not made with hands.
I hear your concern too and I se the things going on, I hear the "messages" on the tv. And I know that most of them make a living off of other peoples fears.
When Jesus was talking to the people themselves, he wasn't blasting them, he held out his and and exrended peace and mercy and forgiveness. He taught them the difference between who he was and who those who were in power were. He set a good example for the to want to follow.
When it came to the leaders and teachers of the law themselves, then he told them, your wrong. You are hypocrites because you say this and do that.
They believed they had the authority of God jimself.
He knocked them down, like a tower they fell, but he didn't change those ston hearts, he did however change the hearts of those who came out of her.
Now sometimes your going to find yourself baging your head against brick walls. Just the way it is. And they will remain bricks until God crushes them himself.
In the meantime we can explain to those who arecoming out of one slave driven religion how they are not bound to enter into another one. That there is way which avoids being snared by all kinds of wolves. That way is a very narrow way indeed. And not too many want to hear it because it's just way too simple.

Love.

And whoever won't hear it, we are told to shake the dust off our feet and move along. Easier said than done. Because even the ones who won't hear become a part of our hearts and we want to help them more than they want help themselves.

I am very aware of what goes on in the world. I've been in a few of the different houses myself. And after a while if you really want to find the truth it will hit you right between the eyes. But until one seeks it, no argument and debate and name calling and ridiculing is going to make one bit of difference. They are as adamant stone.

So then the question is, if we can't fight a rock with stick how do we cause the rock to crumble...?
and the answer is..under the skin. in the hearts of those we are trying to plant good seed in. And if I see you coming at me with a pitchfork and a sword..there aint no way your coming near me..no how.

You want to change the world, you have to change it from the inside out. You have to give them a reason to want to change. Hey, if they're happy where they are and they don't have a problem with it, then leave them alone. When they start getting uncomfortable in their surroundings then they will choose to leave themselves.
I mean you can drag them screaming and fighting, but if they don't want to go then what are you going to do?

All we can do is be there. When things start hitting the fan the last hing you want to do is say I told ya so..
that's no way of helping, that just causes more friction and strife and hard feelings.

Put it this way..
I don't care where your from, what your religion is, or what doctrine you follow. All I know is that we are told to love our neighbours as ourselves. And we know that we are of God when we love one another.
Doesn't say If after that sentaence..just says that's the way it is.
Now anyone can go looking for reasons why we shouldn't love our neighbour, why we should hate our enemies, and you know what? You will find a reason or a fault in every living person on the planet. So what then? hate them all, turn them all away because they are different or think different or talk different or look different..
But I challenge everyone..go looking for a reason to love each other, to just be friends, to just knock down those walls that divide us..
Now, that's a fight..and the goal is well worth the journey.
And you will make more head way, knock down more cement towers and brick heads, than any ranting and raving will ever do.

Gorbechev...tear down this wall!
so be it.

amen.

God Bless You Pete
I hear ya brother, can you hear me?

hugs
lone

TBax · King of the Jungle Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Posts: 1903

Vibrate,

Vibrate · Little Hamster Joined: 12 Apr 2008 Posts: 77

TBax · King of the Jungle Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Posts: 1903

Vibrate,

Vibrate · Little Hamster Joined: 12 Apr 2008 Posts: 77

That's fine TBax. Let's go through these points one by one until we're on the same page, and at least you know what I'm trying to get at. Then you can see if you accept or reject.