What We Get Out of the Cre vs. Evo Discussions

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I am definitely on one side of the cre-evo debates after reading for so many years. There is such a mountain of evidence that it seems and arguments so clear and concise, that I cannot conceive of agreeing with the opposite side. I can only understand agreeing if I had not read so much.

Several months ago I was talking with a long term member who is a friend of mine. They also said the same thing. They have read for so many years on this subject, they cannot conceive of believing the "other camp".

Funny thing is, we're both in different camps and thought we were talking about the same side!

Neither of us can understand why the other would believe what they do.

Was wondering if anyone else had this experience - or insight into the psychology of how we reach personal decisions in belief.
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RevJP · Moderator Joined: 18 Apr 2003 Posts: 6886 Location: USA

Admin, I see it all the time. Not only in this debate but in others. Both sides look at 'mountains' of evidence and reach different conclusions - conclusions based largely on a conscious choice of which side to accept.

I personally prefer a 'blended' approach, trying to find where science and scripture concur rather than blinding snipping and picking out pieces of this or that where they seemingly do not occur.

The difficulty you've illuminated is what happens when two religious adherents try to push their belief system over the other.
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admin · Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 11:59 am Post subject:

But that's what is funny about it Rev. I feel very strongly that I have reached my conclusions by looking at the evidence clearly for what it is.

And so does my friend on the other side!
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lone-traveler · Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 12:51 pm Post subject:

Hi admin,
you wrote:

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Ana · Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 8:18 am Post subject:

lone-traveler · Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 11:45 am Post subject:

maybe creation and evolution is God's way of creating a "place" where two opposing sides can come together and "talk".
If there was no argument, then where would the talking be?
creation=spiritual, evolution=physical...
maybe it's the only ground in which to come and hear eachother's point of view.

We are both spiritual and physical creatures, and it is my opinion that sincerely neither one can truly exist without the other..
it's the..how can the hand say to the foot I have no need of you..principle..

There's only two reasons why people fight about creation and evolution..
one is out of fear of losing, and the other is to prove ones right.

If I believe in evolution then I fear i will have to not believe in creation. or If I believe in creation then I fear I will have to give up my belief in evolution.
Both are afraid they will lose or have to give up something.
The other is just plain pride and stubborness and not ever willing give an inch in order to gain a mile. (or a friendship).

Sad really, because you can have your cake and eat it too. As long as you realize that spiritual belongs to spiritual, and physical belongs to physical..
and believe it or not, both coexist in this world whether we choose to accept them or not..it just is.

do we use what we know to beat each other up, or do we use what we know to help us get ahead?

that's the dividing line isn't it?
can we learn to accept eachother's views even if we don't understand them?

Personally, there is no division in me, I find all things knowledgable and edifying, and I appreciate all things on both sides of the playing field.. Very Happy

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Dust · Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 2:54 pm Post subject:

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There is no hard evidence outside of that which supports Evolution.

Many Christians automatically assume there is, but are too afraid to ask the ID leadership what precisely is that evidence. And if they did, they would not get a straight answer.

Have you ever heard a Creationist/ID'er give an example of even one solid piece of evidence that fully suppports creationism? They can't because it doesn't exist. What they rely on is smoke and mirrors. Unknowledgeable Christians want to be able to trust them, so they do, whether they deserve trust or not.