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Silver Surfer
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 Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 9:10 am Post subject: God's Judgment Day is in Progress Today |
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1 Peter 4:17 For the time [is come] that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if [it] first [begin] at us, what shall the end [be] of them that obey not the gospel of God ?
4:18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear ?
4:19 Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls [to him] in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.
Revelation 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
2 Corinthians 6:1 We then, [as] workers together [with him], beseech [you] also that ye receive not the grace of God in vain.
6:2 (For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now [is] the accepted time; behold, now [is] the day of salvation.)
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Zathrus
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| Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 2:29 pm Post subject: Re: God's Judgment Day is in Progress Today |
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| Silver Surfer wrote: | | 1 Peter 4:17 For the time [is come] that judgment must begin at the house of God: |
Peter clearly wrote that this had begun over 1900 years ago.
Your religous organization teaches that it began in 1844. Already you are at odds with God's Word.
And you're telling us it's still going on? Or still to come?
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Silver Surfer
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| Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 6:09 am Post subject: Re: God's Judgment Day is in Progress Today |
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| Zathrus wrote: | | Silver Surfer wrote: | | 1 Peter 4:17 For the time [is come] that judgment must begin at the house of God: |
Peter clearly wrote that this had begun over 1900 years ago.
Your religous organization teaches that it began in 1844. Already you are at odds with God's Word. |
God's word tells us that the Investigative Judgment, began in 1844.
Daniel 8:14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.
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And you're telling us it's still going on? Or still to come? |
Judgment MUST be finished before Jesus Christ can come again......
Revelation 22:10 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.
22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward [is] with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Matthew 16:26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?
16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
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holly102869
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| Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 6:36 am Post subject: |
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Through history everyone on earth thought they lived in the end times.
How many have been wrong? All of them.
How many right? None of them so far.
Even the true followers the 11 left thought they would see the end.
Jesus tells us that he doesn't even know the day. So, who are we, compared to him to think we can figure it out.
If we stop trying to figure out when it will be here and worry about increasing our faith it won't matter when it comes because you will be taken when he comes for his flock.
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Silver Surfer
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| Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 6:57 am Post subject: |
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| holly102869 wrote: | Through history everyone on earth thought they lived in the end times.
How many have been wrong? All of them.
How many right? None of them so far.
Even the true followers the 11 left thought they would see the end.
Jesus tells us that he doesn't even know the day. So, who are we, compared to him to think we can figure it out.
If we stop trying to figure out when it will be here and worry about increasing our faith it won't matter when it comes because you will be taken when he comes for his flock. |
Yes, my point was not to predict the end.
My point was to say that when....the Investigative Judgment, for Christians, is over with, then.....Jesus Christ will come again.
The main point is to have all our sins forgiven and forsaken...up to the time of the Investigative Judgment is finished.
Which is a daily experience for us.
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lone-traveler
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| Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 7:30 am Post subject: |
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I believe judgment day begins the day we first believe and are baptised with the spirit of Christ.
From that moment on we are judged and judge ourselves whether we be walking in the new life or are as reprobates?
That when we have come through the judgment process we find that we are new and all the old ways we have left behind and are forgotten.
Silver wrote:
| Quote: | My point was to say that when....the Investigative Judgment, for Christians, is over with, then.....Jesus Christ will come again.
The main point is to have all our sins forgiven and forsaken...up to the time of the Investigative Judgment is finished.
Which is a daily experience for us. |
I believe that Jesus is with us daily going through the judgement process with us. It is his spirit which convicts us and judges us and leads us in the right paths.
Like Daniel was cast into the den of lions, we are in the world, but the spirit of the Lord is with us and closes the mouths of the lions so that we are not harmed and torn and scattered and left for dead.
which is a daily experience for us.. 
hugs silver,
lone
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Silver Surfer
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| Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 7:57 am Post subject: |
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Hi LT,
The main purpose for the Judgment day is to prove to the universe (other worlds) that God is right, and satan is wrong in his accusations against the goverment of God.
That is why the Books of records, are kept.
It is the Christian, who are the ones who prove God right or wrong.
It is called: the Great Controversy Between Christ and satan
The proving grounds, is the temptations we face each day.
That is the whole purpose of temptations....to prove whether God is right or wrong........
OR, whether satan is right or wrong.
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lone-traveler
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| Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 8:13 am Post subject: |
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hmm,
I don't think Christians prove whether God is right or wrong..
I believe God proves us whether we are walking in his spirit and will or our own.
The controversy between Christ and Satan is the same controversy between the Spirit and the Flesh. They are at enmity with eachother.
Satan is the Carnal Man seating himself in the seat of God showing himself that he is God..a seen by the pharisees and scribes and priests who reigned in the synagogue in Jerusalem. It is this carnal mindset that we call Satan which is at enmity with the Spirit of God.
Because the works of the flesh are opposed to the fruits of the spirit, they are contrary to one another.
But when Christ came and died and rose again he removed the enmity between Satan and Himself by overcoming the flesh by his spirit, by destroying the works of the flesh which when we submit to the spirit of Christ no longer bears rule over us, but we have power over it. The carnal flesh has no power to lead us blindly into sin, because we see it for what it is and are able to change course and deny the flesh it's wicked desires.
There is no more controversy to those who are in Christ. The only controversy which remains are to those who do not believe that they have the same power over Satan/flesh, carnal desires, as those who walk in Christ and the Spirit of God do.
This is the proof. and it is manifest in those who have already overcome the world and it's deceitfulness which tries to lead us after it's own desires.
For we are MORE than Conquerers through Christ Jesus!
Be an overcomer, walk in the Spirit of God, and bear his fruit and live in peace.
God Bless
lone
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Silver Surfer
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| Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 9:11 am Post subject: |
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| lone-traveler wrote: | hmm,
I don't think Christians prove whether God is right or wrong..
I believe God proves us whether we are walking in his spirit and will or our own.
The controversy between Christ and Satan is the same controversy between the Spirit and the Flesh. They are at enmity with eachother.
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OK.
Romans 8:6 For to be carnally minded [is] death; but to be spiritually minded [is] life and peace.
8:7 Because the carnal mind [is] enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
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Satan is the Carnal Man seating himself in the seat of God showing himself that he is God..a seen by the pharisees and scribes and priests who reigned in the synagogue in Jerusalem. It is this carnal mindset that we call Satan which is at enmity with the Spirit of God. |
Do you see satan as a living being, or a mindset of men ?
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Because the works of the flesh are opposed to the fruits of the spirit, they are contrary to one another.
But when Christ came and died and rose again he removed the enmity between Satan and Himself by overcoming the flesh by his spirit, by destroying the works of the flesh which when we submit to the spirit of Christ no longer bears rule over us, but we have power over it. The carnal flesh has no power to lead us blindly into sin, because we see it for what it is and are able to change course and deny the flesh it's wicked desires.
There is no more controversy to those who are in Christ. The only controversy which remains are to those who do not believe that they have the same power over Satan/flesh, carnal desires, as those who walk in Christ and the Spirit of God do.
This is the proof. and it is manifest in those who have already overcome the world and it's deceitfulness which tries to lead us after it's own desires.
For we are MORE than Conquerers through Christ Jesus!
Be an overcomer, walk in the Spirit of God, and bear his fruit and live in peace.
God Bless
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Zathrus
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| Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 4:48 am Post subject: |
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| Silver Surfer wrote: | Hi LT,
The main purpose for the Judgment day is to prove to the universe (other worlds) that God is right, and satan is wrong in his accusations against the goverment of God. |
A God who is only concerned with proving He is right? And to such an extent that He created our world and peopled it just to prove a point? And is it to other worlds, or to Satan that He feels He has to prove something? Previously, you had said God believes He has to prove His point to the devil.
Psalm 50
| Quote: | 20Thou sittest and speakest against thy brother; thou slanderest thine own mother's son.
21These things hast thou done, and I kept silence; thou thoughtest that I was altogether such an one as thyself: but I will reprove thee, and set them in order before thine eyes. |
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lone-traveler
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| Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 10:42 am Post subject: |
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Hi Silver,
| Quote: | | Do you see satan as a living being, or a mindset of men ? |
Ha, trick question..lol..
men are living beings, and if their mindset is bent on darkness and evil things then Satan is the controlling factor of their hearts and minds..
and what controls our hearts and minds is our ego, or our desires and lusts of the flesh which oppose anything which is good and wholesome.
So it is our hearts and minds which sit in God's seat which is where he reigns in us..once (satan) has been cast out. So basically we cast out or cast off the works of darkness or works of satan which we allow to rule in our flesh.
But this casting off or casting out is not done by ourselves but by God's own spirit which comes in and denounces that sinful behavior in us and makes us clean.
We can either rebel or submit to taking this bath..
and if we submit then we are washed with water and are sins are washed away by his word.
If we rebel then we are washed in fire and are purified from those sins by his word. So if we submit we have less torment but are still salted with fire, becuse it is the fire of the spirit which purifies us from all sin.
Satan is a "seed" which man imagined who was out to get him if he did bad. Then Satan became someone who goes after those who are good. Then satan is something in our flesh. then he is in our hearts and minds because we believe that he is, and therefore that makes him real.
He has no power unless we give him power to exist.
How is Satan cast out?
2Cr 10:3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:
2Cr 10:4 (For the weapons of our warfare [are] not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds;)
2Cr 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
2Cr 10:6 And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.
where do imaginations and knowledge come from?
They are in your heart and mind. And so until we cast out those things which exalt themselves against the knowledge of God, then we remain enslaved by them.
As long as you allow the knowledge of Satan to be in your heart and in your head..you give him life. and he feeds off your fears, off your imaginations, off your lusts and desires..these things help him to grow more real to you.
Satan does not exist in the kingdom of heaven Silver.
And if the kingdom of heaven is within you then Satan has already been cast out.
That is not to say that there aren't some remains of that old life still residing in oneself. And these need to be burned out. Because they can be tough as nails and as hard as thorns to remove. And the harder our hearts are and the more stubborn our minds are the longer it takes to be free of them (him), however you want to view Satan.
To me he is a figment of someones imagination to cause us to set up a stumblingstone between us and God.
Now once you remove that stumblingstone, you won't keep falling over it..amen?
that would be casting out imaginations that exalt themselves above the knowledge of God.
Do you fear Satan? If you do then you give him more power than God...
think about that?
Job says, the thing that he "feared" had come upon him..
what if Job had had no fear, would satan have had any power over him then?
So, is Satan a living being or the mindset of men?
yes, bcause he is real in the imaginations of mens hearts and minds, that gives him life..makes him real to whoever believes in him.
Who do you BELIEVE IN...God or Satan?
this alone shows who you have given your heart and mind to, and submitted to, by casting the very thought oof Satan right out of ya.
Let him go Silver..let him die..let him be remembered no more. Cast him in that lake of fire in your heart and mind, and remember him never again.
he has no power over you except what power you allow him to have. You have the keys of heaven and hell in your own hand. You can choose..Live in heaven with God where Satan does not exist, or Live in hell with Satan where God does not exist..who you going to let reign in your heart and mind..God or Satan?
All my heart Silver,
Lone
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Silver Surfer
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| Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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OK...Let me try another angle at this Judgment thing.
Why are record books kept by God ?
Is It to inform HIM of of anything He does not already know ?
The record books of heaven are to get the good is....and keep the bad out.
In other words, the books are to justfy the righteous, and condemn the wicked.
To show who has done exactly as Jesus Christ asked them to, and to show who ignore or rejected Christ's words.
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QUESTION: Who is going to see those record books ?
ANSWER: The saints, who make it into heaven.
Because when those saints get there they are going to look around and see people they did not expect to see in heaven, and ask WHY are they here ?
Rapists, murders of little children, War mongers (Maybe Adolf Hitler, Napoleon, ect.)
And then, they look around some more and do not see people they thought should be there and ask WHY are they not here ?
Pastors, Evangelists, the person you thought was a very good Christian, ect.
The record books will reveal who is in heaven and WHY.
The record books will reveal who is NOT there and WHY.
The Bible says that the saints will judge angels.
WHY was that wriitten, for us to know ?
The people that get into heaven will be able to see that God was fair and impartial in HIS judgements of people's thoughts and actions.
Eccl. 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this [is] the whole [duty] of man.
12:14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether [it be] good, or whether [it be] evil.
The record books will reveal EVERYTHING !!!
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lone-traveler
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| Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 2:12 am Post subject: |
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Hi Silver,
you are the book. And the record of God's law is implanted in your heart and mind. You know the difference between good and evil. And your conscience will be your witness.
And you will be judged according to what is written in you.
If you live by the law you will be judged by the law and your own righteousness. If you live by grace and His righteousness, you will be judged according to his righteousness and not our own.
This is the commandment since the beginning..
That ye love one another.
it really is that easy..even though today it can be the hardest thing to do.
That even though we were still sinners, God loved us. And if God so loved us, we aught to love one another.
This is his commandment.
Thou shalt love God with all thy heart, mind and soul. And as often as ye have done it unto one of these least of my brethren ye have done it unto me.
So when we love our neighbour we are loving God.
Both commandments are intertwined. You can not keep one or the other, but if we refuse one, we refuse them all.
And these two are one.
And by these commandments you will be judged and your conscience will bear you witness whether you walked in His word or not.
Judge not, lest ye be judged..
If we love one another we will not be judged by the law, because there is no law against love.
Perfect love casteth out all fear..Fear not, for the Lord is with you.
God Bless You Silver,
hugs
lone
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