What is Works of Faith

nana · Bear Cub Joined: 01 May 2006 Posts: 625

Greetings,

Faith is always equated with something that we don't see. If I see it with my natural eyes then I don't need faith because it is manifested.

Heb 11:1, "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not see."

The OT only mentions the word faith 2 times. Why? Because the mystery of the Faith was not revealed to those before the cross.

But now, faith has substance. The OT believers believed in a redeemer to come that would save the world from sin, the NT believers believe that a redeemer came and saved the world from sin; our faith has substance; this is what Christ did on the cross.

In the OT it was prophecied that their would be a royal priesthood, a holy nation, but it had no substance because Christ had not reconciled the world unto himself yet.

The NT says, "But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light, I Peter 2:9.

Our faith has substance. The OT spoke of a light to come; the NT says that the light came.

We are his workman ship created in Christ Jesus. As He is so are we in this world.

So what is our faith? Is it not in the fact that the holy scriptures were fulfilled and our faith is in who we are in Christ now? Is this not what satan is out to destroy? Our faith in who we are; our confidence?

Food for thought.

In Christ, Judy

atoz · Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 12:53 pm Post subject:

Heya Nana!

Since faith works by Love, galatians 5:6,

and
Love works by loving works and no works, by loving the faithful and the faithless, Mt 5:44-45, 48,

then the works of faith are works in or of Love.

In the Love that
makes faith out of no works,
and
makes works doubly faithful, 2 Cor 12:9-10
atoz

Silver Surfer · Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 7:26 pm Post subject: Re: What is Works of Faith

Observance of the 4th commandment, the 7th day sabbath, is faith, shown by works.

Observance of the 7th day sabbath is totally useless, if a person has no faith in Jesus Christ.

Christ, made the 7th day sabbath as the very sign of faith, in Himself.

20:20 And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I [am] the LORD your God.

cballard · Grizzly Bear Joined: 16 Jun 2005 Posts: 702 Location: WV

Silver Surfer, what about Col. 2:16:
Let no one, then, call you to account for what you eat or drink or in regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath.
What does Paul mean by that?

atoz · Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 3:09 pm Post subject: Re: What is Works of Faith

JonMarie · Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 6:35 pm Post subject:

See Hebrews 11

JonMarie · Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 6:36 pm Post subject:

The entire chapter of Hebrews 11

Silver Surfer · Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 5:42 am Post subject: Re: What is Works of Faith

Romans 10:17 So then faith [cometh] by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

I was recently informed by a moderator/Pastor that the Bible, is not neccessary for having faith in Jesus Christ (God).

I absolutely, totally disagree !

I will state here for the record, that the Gospel CANNOT be known, without the Bible.

The Gospel message goes FAR BEYOND......Jesus Christ's Death, Burial, and Resurrection.

The Bible states that there are requirements to be followed, in order for any person to gaining eternal life.

JB · Young Wolf Joined: 16 Feb 2008 Posts: 509

SS,
You say:

Romans 10:17 So then faith [cometh] by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

I was recently informed by a moderator/Pastor that the Bible, is not necessary for having faith in Jesus Christ (God).

I absolutely, totally disagree !

I say, What? That statement is totally un-biblical.

Romans 10;17 contradicts your statement.

Let's take a look at Word in this text.

Rema (Rhema)

Transliteration:
rhema {hray'-mah}
Word Origin:
from 4483
TDNT:
6:69,505
Part of Speech:
noun neuter
Usage in the KJV:
word 56, saying 9, thing 3, no thing 3756 1, not tr 1

Total: 70
Definition:

1. that which is or has been uttered by the living voice, thing spoken, word
1. any sound produced by the voice and having definite meaning
2. speech, discourse
1. what one has said
3. a series of words joined together into a sentence (a declaration of one's mind made in words)
1. an utterance
2. a saying of any sort as a message, a narrative
1. concerning some occurrence
2. subject matter of speech, thing spoken of
1. so far forth as it is a matter of narration
2. so far as it is a matter of command
3. a matter of dispute, case at law

TDNT - Theological Dictionary of the New Testament
TWOT - Theological Word Book of the Old Testament

My friend Romans 10:17 has nothing to do with the written word. It has to do with the Holy Spirit.

Your statement also condemns many who are with out a literal translation of the scriptures. Again this is wrong.

You can quot scriptures all day long but if they aren't in the context of the original intent, they are a fallacy.

Silver Surfer · Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 6:43 am Post subject:

[quote="JB"]

JB · Young Wolf Joined: 16 Feb 2008 Posts: 509

Silver Surfer,

So what you are saying in essence is that God does hate some and love others! Is this true? Or did Jesus die for all humanity?

Funny thing, you believing the Bible and rejecting the truth therein. Rhema is the teacher. Not the Bible. But since you have discounted this let us try another avenue.

John 1:9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

Transliteration:
photizo {fo-tid'-zo}
Word Origin:
from 5457
TDNT:
9:310,1293
Part of Speech:
verb
Usage in the KJV:
give light 2, bring to light 2, lighten 2, enlighten 2, light 1, illuminate 1, make to see 1

Total: 11
Definition:

1. to give light, to shine
2. to enlighten, light up, illumine
3. to bring to light, render evident
1. to cause something to exist and thus come to light and become clear to all
4. to enlighten, spiritually, imbue with saving knowledge
1. to instruct, to inform, teach
2. to give understanding to

TDNT - Theological Dictionary of the New Testament
TWOT - Theological Word Book of the Old Testament

Silver Surfer, how do you reconcile this? Note "all men".

JB

Silver Surfer · Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 9:23 am Post subject:

JB · Young Wolf Joined: 16 Feb 2008 Posts: 509

Silver Surfer,

I am sorry for the delay in response. I helped family today. They are getting up in years and need a little assistance.

You said:

I believe Jesus died to allow every person on earth another chance to start over, living a life without sin, in their lives.

But you also said

I was recently informed by a moderator/Pastor that the Bible, is not necessary for having faith in Jesus Christ (God). And you disagreed with that assessment.

In many areas of the world in History, there have been many people who have had no scriptures to read and to learn from. Does this mean that they are condemned? I don't think so. The light of salvation comes from the Rhema of God and not the Holy Scriptures. In many cases if not most, the Lord speaks to His people through the scriptures. But then there are those who just don't have the scriptures.

James said, (4:17) "he who knows to do good and doeth it not, to him it is a sin". I believe that this is the Rhema of God speaking to the heart of those who are ready to hear the truth but have no one to tell them. Since the scriptures makes it clear that all receive light then we must some how reconcile this idea.

Rhema (rema) is the Greek word used in many different places in the scriptures that refers to the spoken word and not the written word. A google search will bring it up for sure. I could do an in depth break down of that word but I don't believe that that would be necessary at this point. But at your request I would be willing to do that.

I agree with your statement that grace is offered to all but not all experience Grace.

God Bless and I am sure we will hear from each other again.

JB

Silver Surfer · Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 6:52 pm Post subject:

JB · Young Wolf Joined: 16 Feb 2008 Posts: 509

Silver Surfer,
I guess that there is no more to talk about since you have chosen to ignore the true intent of Romans 10:17. Faith comes from hearing and hearing from the word (rema). You seem to be more interested in the English translation than to what Paul intended for his readers to hear.

God bless my friend.
JB