New Paradigm

Vibrate · Little Hamster Joined: 12 Apr 2008 Posts: 77

People, please. The system is a fraud. It is not real. It is an illusion. Now, I understand that people are following it, and people do organize, or better yet "disorganize" themselves according to the system, so that means that it is an illusion worth talking about. But we have to be careful when talking about an illusion, to make sure that we remember that it is an illusion and not something real.
In order to analyze the activities taking place in the false system, we need to understand the system in real life terms, so we cannot rely on the system's terminology, since that belongs to a false context.
Please desist from talking about the system as if it were real, since you are doing damage. There are children in the world, who need to hear the truth. Not to mention the adults who need to hear the truth. Call a thing what it is, and speak the truth. Understand that when you continue in this abominable practice of talking about the system as if it were real you are destroying our people.
It is important that we talk about what is going on in the world, and it is vital that in doing so we do not adopt the language and perspective of the illusion, but that we hold onto the truth.
Let us discuss how to use the offices and opportunities created because of people working according to the system. Let us talk about God's kingdom, and how God's word can operate through the medium of these offices and opportunities. Although the system is false, the people who put their trust in it are not false, and when we understand this principle we are learning to see through the illusion to the reality. The reality is that we are dealing with human beings, which God created, and not with a system, which does not really exist. So let's talk about human beings. Let's talk about God's kingdom. Let's talk about what we can achieve, and what is possible!

lone-traveler · Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 5:03 pm Post subject:

It is a carnal system, built by carnal men, who live by carnal lusts and appetites.
We are told to render unto Ceasar what is Ceasar's and unto God what is God's.
And if we can not be faithful in the little things how shall we be faithful in much?

There is a time for blindness and a time for sight.
Many are waking and seeing things as they truly are.
The Spirit of truth and freedom is stirring.

Do not worry, keep the faith. All things in God's good time.

We are told to live peacably among all men. Knowing that those things which are carnal and worthless will deteriorate over time. But those things which are good and truthful and beneficial will stand the test of time.

Sometimes we are brought into bondage by others wrongs. And so we are to bear the burden with them.
In the end true justice and freedom come forth, and we can all be unbound together.

Knowing what you know is a gift which keeps you free from becoming entangled by the snares of greed and hypocrisy, ignorance and deceit.
And when we do not run with them then we are to them a gazingstock who wonder why we do not run with them.
1Pe 4:4 Wherein they think it strange that ye run not with [them] to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of [you]:

All one needs to do is look at the way they conduct themselves. they slander and speak evil against one another. They are only in it for filthy lucre sake. Only the rich and reknown may hope to achieve a place in the political arena. I say let them have what they have reaped. But what I have no man can take from me.
My hope, my faith, my trust in that which is good and will prevail over all. My Hope in the Lord.

To speak boldly and make known the truth is a noble cause. But to use temperance and meekness when teaching the truth is most beneficial.
Most are so caught up and entwined in the system that it is hard to become disentangled from it.

One can remain in the world and abide by the powers that be:
Rom 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
and also keep oneself separate from becoming a part of the world itself.

2Cr 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean [thing]; and I will receive you,

If you preach fire and brimstone, you will recieve the same.
If you preach with love and sincerity, not only for those who are led blindly into it, but even to those who are blind leaders of it, that if you speak with no malice or hatred in your heart..
your words will be heard.

Jeremiah chapter 27 pretty much sums up where we are today. This nation has been given into the hands of Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon. And we are to serve him as we would render unto Ceasar what is Ceasars.
But to keep oneself spiritually separate, that is, to not become as those we have already been separated from..that is where faith and perseverance comes in.

And to teach others how to give honour where honour is due, and tribute to whom tribute is due, while keeping oneself out of the pollution which is generated within it.

We should pray for a swift and speedy recovery.
Amen?

hugs
lone

Vibrate · Little Hamster Joined: 12 Apr 2008 Posts: 77

lone-traveler · Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 7:31 am Post subject:

Hello Vibrate,

Vibrate · Little Hamster Joined: 12 Apr 2008 Posts: 77

Yes, that's true. I don't see these perspectives as being in conflict at all. On the one hand, "be still and wait on the lord", and on the other hand "ask and I will give you the nations as an inheritance".
Sometimes it is possible to let God fight our battles and all we have to do is watch Him work. And sometimes we have to take a stand ourselves, and He works through us. Only He knows where that point is, but look in nature and you will know what is right.

lone-traveler · Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 11:04 am Post subject:

And the swords which Jesus told Peter to take..
they were "fighting swords"?
And yet when Peter used "his" sword and wounded the man's ear (hearing) then Jesus told Peter put down "your sword", and Jesus healed him.

There are two swords here. Peter used one and what of the other?

There is a carnal sword and there is a spiritual sword.
Peter chose the carnal sword and it caused the man to lose his hearing.. but the other sword that Peter didn't use was this:

Eph 6:17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

Hbr 4:12 For the word of God [is] quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and [is] a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

And when Jesus used his sword, his WORD, the man's ear was healed and he was able to hear again.

Carnal men use carnal swords to destroy other nations.
Spiritual men use the Sword of God to heal the nations.

Carnal men use their own words and understanding and make war between countries.

Spiritual men use God's word and his spirit to make peace between countries.

Carnal men lash out in hate.
Spiritual men lash out in love.

Carnal men seek to control.
Spiritual men seek to serve.

We need to discern which course to take and how we will follow it, before any action is to be made..yea?
Because if we lash out with the wrong sword, in the wrong temperment, with the wrong intentions, then we will be doing our own will and not God's will.

God came to save the world, not destroy it.
So we too should try to heal the world and not cut off it's ear in anger so it can not hear.

Hugs Vibrate.
lone

Pete · Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 1:01 pm Post subject:

Vibrate · Little Hamster Joined: 12 Apr 2008 Posts: 77

lone-traveler · Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 8:38 pm Post subject:

Hi vibrate..

you have a vibrant spirit.. Very Happy

Vibrate · Little Hamster Joined: 12 Apr 2008 Posts: 77

There's a difference between murder and self-defense. The commandment says not to commit murder. There are many times when God tells us to kill as a way to punish a crime and "cleanse the land of the wickedness". Witches, murderers, blasphemers and many others are supposed to be put to death according to the regulations given to Moses. Although these regulations are not all in effect at this stage, the principle remains that it is good to defend yourself and punish wrongdoers. This is the central point of the Mosaic tradition, and it is an eternal principle.
I never mentioned hating anyone, or being angry. I spoke about justice. You can turn the other cheek if someone hits you, but not if they try to kill you; think about it. You won't have another cheek to turn, will you? There is a point of no return, when someone becomes a murderer, and at this stage no-one can help them.
You have been programmed to think that there can be no human justice, so you should just leave it up to the "secular authorities". This is a tactic established exactly for the purpose of stealing your power from you. In fact the earth is the Lord's, and does not belong to the charlatan posers that manipulate the system today, except by default since God's people have been brainwashed. By rights, the power belongs to God's people.
And by the way, you're lying. No-one practices turn the other cheek. Every single person in the world will stand their ground to protect themselves, and they will defend themselves when necessary. This is human nature, which God created.
Tell me, are you someone who "calls big brother" to fight his battles? Are you a weak person who concentrates on avoiding confrontation? Are you someone who let's people take and keep taking, hoping that God will change their hearts? Be honest; do you "live in constant suspense, filled with dread both night and day, never sure of your life."?
Or do these quotes describe those who follow the way?

lone-traveler · Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 9:02 am Post subject:

How you going to win friends if your always scaring them away?
How will you know if they love you because they love you or because they fear you..hmm
like comparing Hitler with Mother Theresa..
which did more good?
Those who served by fear or those who served with sincere adoration?

Do you know what freightens mean people the most?
when they after doing all they can do, can not dampen ones spirit. They have no control over you. They can not make you hateful as themselves so they can turn and accuse you of the same thing, They can not make you seek others misfortunes and claim them as ones own and so accuse you of stealing as they themselves do.
Even though they carry a sword or a gun they have no persuasion over you making you bow to their low estate.
This is what angers the enemies and defeats them in the end.
That if your enemy has lost his donkey that when you find it you return it to him not expecting anything in return..
that's in the law..
But, in the OT they didn't return the booty to the owners they kept it for themselves and divided it amongst themselves. They were robbers and theives and warmongers going about to sudue the world through fear and dread of them.
And so time after time God would take those and bring them unto their enemies and give them back what was wrongfully taken...back and forth, back and forth..
They could not even live peacably among themselves. These are brothers. And they went to war continually with each other throughout many generations.
And we know that ALL men have one God. whether Jew, Gentile, male, female..makes no difference all mankind has one Father. And so when you go up against the "enemy" you are indeed going up against your brother.
Do you have a brother vibrate? Do you control him with fear and dread? What about your best friend, your neighbour, the grocery man, the paper boy?
How do you treat those you love?
And if every man has the same God we do, then that makes our enemies our brothers and neighbours also.
So then, how are we to treat them? the same way they treat you? But then what makes you different from them?

Luk 6:32 For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them.
Luk 6:33 And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same.
Luk 6:34 And if ye lend [to them] of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again.
Luk 6:35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and [to] the evil.
Luk 6:36 Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.

We need not fear man and what he can do to the body, but rather fear him who can destroy both body and spirit.

Do not give place to wrath, overcome evil with good.

Exd 23:5 If thou see the ass of him that hateth thee lying under his burden, and wouldest forbear to help him, thou shalt surely help with him.

Now, in the parable of the good samaritan..the man who was beaten and robbed..was this the samaritans friend or his enemy?

If it was his enemy, wasnt' he taking a chance that this man once he became strong once again would still have the opportunity to find him and kill him?
Did the samaritan turn the other cheek?

Oh but look at Paul, he was blinded and bound walking in "enemy" territory, the christians in whom he went out to destroy. And he was given over into the hands of them who feared and dreaded him. But what did they do?
Did they kill him so that he would never have a chance to slay their women and children and scatter them throughout the world again?

It is through fear and dread that one becomes blind and bound. But perfect love casteth out all fear and all the chains unbound.
And so we learn to live in peace as much as lieth in us, with all men.

fear and dread led them to death and destruction, mercy and kindness led thm to life and forgiveness and peace.

hugs vibrate,
lone

Vibrate · Little Hamster Joined: 12 Apr 2008 Posts: 77

You're missing the point. You are programmed to think that the only possible reason for enforcing the law is because of carnal thinking. You seem unwilling to consider a different reason.
How do you feel about Jesus driving people out of the temple? Be honest, do you agree with what he did? Can you explain why what he did was right, loving, and peaceful? Would you do the same? Please provide some examples of the same type of situation nowadays, where it would be right, and peaceful and loving and everything goods to treat people in the way that Jesus treated these people.

lone-traveler · Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 10:28 am Post subject:

Are we talking about Ceasars government or God's temple?

Jesus went into the temple (which temple we are) and said..My Father's House IS A House of Prayer.... Idea

But you have made it into a den of theives. Who was he talking to? Those who were in charge of the temple (which temple we are).

He was saying to them..you have taken my silver, my gold, my people and have turned them into theives and murderes just like yourselves. You have stolen my sheep and traded them and slain them for your own gain.

He was not talking to Ceasar and his carnal kingdom, he was speaking to those Spiritual leaders who were destroying his own kingdom..which kingdom we are.

God has given carnal things to Ceasar. And to us he has given his kingdom, his incorruptible and moth free, rust free kingdom. This kingdom is not based on pride and greed and money and fear and dread. These things belong to the world and those who choose to live in it.
God's kingdom is based on peace, love, mercy, kindness, goodness..you know the list..these things are what God's kingdom is made of and built upon.

You began this thread saying that the system is a fraud, that it is an illusion.. Then why do you want to vex your spirit concerning yourself with a government which you know is only temporary?
That government of carniality controls your spirit. It makes you angry, it makes you want to fight and get revenge. Are you not placing your spirit in the hands of carnal men and allowing them to dictate how to think and feel?
They want to cause you unrest, they want you to fight. Then they can blame and accuse you of doing the very same thing that they are accused of doing.

Why are you giving them that power over you?

come out of her my people and be ye not a partaker of her sins.
Her sins are pride and not humbleness, and wrath and not peace, hatred and not love, war makers not peace makers.

We may have to live in this world, but we do not have to be like it. And this is what seperates those who follow the Lord and those who follow the world.

If it is an illusion, then why fight it? you know it won't last in the end.
But the kingdom of God is eternal..and this is his temple, which temple we are..his people. We are not a carnal building, we are not a carnal government. Our building, our kingdom, our government is not based on the ways of the world, but rather on the ways of the Lord.

And his ways are manifested by his Spirit in which bears much fruit. And this fruit and the leaves of this tree are our food and our medicine in which the nations are "healed" and not destroyed.

Use peace as your weapon, not war.

Pete · Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 5:54 pm Post subject:

Vibrate · Little Hamster Joined: 12 Apr 2008 Posts: 77

Thanks Pete. I guess that history is a big part of why what I'm saying now is so hard for people to swallow. But I'm sure you'll agree it's not a rational cause to reject what I'm saying, right?