ROMANS CHAPTER SIX AND SEVEN

lone-traveler · Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 9:54 pm Post subject:

ME TOO!!

AMEN!

Very Happy

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Joh 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

Silver Surfer · Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 8:48 pm Post subject:

I love Romans 6 & 7....and 8...as they all tie together.

Romans chapter 6 .....is awesome as it tells us that we are free, from commiting any more sin, thru the grace that God bestows upon us.

Romans chapter 7 .....tells us of a man who wants to know Victory over sin, thru Jesus Christ...BUT, has not yet attained it.

Romans chapter 8 ....tells us of the person who has gotten the Victory, thru Jesus Christ, and is living a true Christian life.
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Matthew 5:11 Blessed are ye, when [men] shall revile you, and persecute [you], and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

nana · Bear Cub Joined: 01 May 2006 Posts: 625

Greeting Silver Surfer,

I went back over my old post and see that I did not respond to you, so though it has been months I will do so now.

SS wrote:

JB · Grizzly Bear Joined: 16 Feb 2008 Posts: 745

Nana,
Good Post.

Silver Surfer · Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 4:16 am Post subject:

JonMarie · Bear Cub Joined: 18 Feb 2008 Posts: 635 Location: Pa.

Matthew 5:17
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

nana · Bear Cub Joined: 01 May 2006 Posts: 625

Greeting JonMarie,

Happy to make your acquaintence. God bless you.

I agree with your quote from Matthew, but tell me, are you agreeing with SS or disagreeing? Or perhaps you do not agree with me.

Or perhaps you are not agreeing or disagreeing with anyone, you just wanted to make a statement. Just curiousl

In Christ, Judy

Silver Surfer · Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 8:22 am Post subject:

JonMarie · Bear Cub Joined: 18 Feb 2008 Posts: 635 Location: Pa.

Hi Nana Judy, greetings,
I think I have a different perspective. Mostly I agree with SS, and I love Romans 6,7,8 and also John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

It seems to me that SS is stuck on the word "commandments" and translates this to mean the original 10 commandments.

I believe this refers to the 49 commands of Christ recorded in the New Testament. As in Matthew 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

for Example:Exodus 20:14
Thou shalt not commit adultery.

Matt 5:28
But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

This does not make void the law, it fulfills it, by saying not only to avoid adultery in deed, but in thought as well.

SS quoted:

Silver Surfer · Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 4:01 pm Post subject:

Nobby · Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 5:18 pm Post subject:

SS, how many commandments did Jesus make?
Just asking?
Nobby

Silver Surfer · Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 7:33 am Post subject:

lone-traveler · Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 7:53 am Post subject:

Hi Silver,

The very foundation of the house is God's Spirit, the Word of God.
And on this men built with stone and wood and all kinds of things and the house began to take shape and become manifest in the world.
We are told to be careful how we build upon this foundation and what will remain will remain and what will be eliminated will be eliminated.
The foundation of the house is not carnal knowledge which was taught in the OT. But rather spiritual knowledge which man clothed with carnal things in order for it to be seen.
You see, we are told to walk by faith and not by sight. We are told the house is spiritual built upon a spiritual foundation and that spiritual foundation is eternal it will not pass away, it is incorruptible, it doesn't rot or rust over time.
But the house that was built in the OT which was built upon a carnal stone, in time was made to crumble. Because it did not contain the spirit in which it was supposed to be founded on.

So the OT is not the foundation it is and was made to be only temporary because it was based on carnal things. And we have been told that we are not to walk according to the carnal man but according to the spirit.

Also we are told that those things written in the OT are shadows of the true. They are not spiritual truth they are carnal truth.
And as is carnal so the house itself became carnal and could not bear it's own weight and crumbled.
But the spirit and the word is eternal and these will never become defiled or crumble but will live on for all eternity.

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More on Bondage versus Liberty

But their minds were hardened. For until this day the same veil remains unlifted in the reading of the Old Testament, because the veil is taken away in Christ. But even to this day, when Moses is read, a veil lies on their heart. Nevertheless when one turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. Now the Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. (2 Corinthians 3:14-17)
The new covenant of grace, which depends upon living by the Spirit of the Lord, produces liberty: "where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty." The old covenant produces bondage in those who attempt to live under it, because it provides no resource for meeting its demands. In our last meditation, we looked at the bondage of secrecy that results from living by man's sufficiency. Spiritual blindness is another bondage that comes from living under the law.

The Israelites were blinded by a veil that resulted from hardness of heart. "But their minds were hardened. For until this day the same veil remains unlifted in the reading of the Old Testament [that is, the old covenant]." This hardness was related to self-sufficiency. John, the Baptist, held forth the righteous standards of God and called the people to repentance for their sins. "And he went into all the region around the Jordan, preaching a baptism of repentance for the remission of sins" (Luke 3:3). John was aware that many held a self-sufficient reliance in their ancestry (their blood-line link with Abraham). "Therefore bear fruits worthy of repentance, and do not begin to say to yourselves, 'We have Abraham as our father'" (Luke 3:8). Jesus also encountered this same hardness of heart as He preached. "We are Abraham's descendants, and have never been in bondage to anyone. How can you say, 'You will be made free'?" (John 8:33). Like the self-righteous Pharisee, these people thought they were better than others and had no need for repentance. "He spoke this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous...the Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, 'God, I thank You that I am not like other men'" (Luke 18:9, 11). Many people today rely upon their religious heritage to give them an acceptable standing with the Lord.

Such hardness of heart leaves them blind. They cannot see as God sees. God tells them of their need, but they will not reach out to Him for help. How tragic this is, because He alone is able to remove their blindness. "When one turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away in Christ."
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Joh 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

ragman13 · German Shepherd Joined: 07 Jul 2007 Posts: 325

SS wrote:

Silver Surfer · Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 8:19 am Post subject:

Hi LT,

My point was to present the OT as lessons to be learned from......Spiritual lessons.

1 Corinthians
10:1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
10:2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
10:3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

10:5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
10:6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
10:7 Neither be ye idolaters, as [were] some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
10:8 Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.
10:9 Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.
10:10 Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.
10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.
10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

Another thought I had was.......

When the NT tells us that Jesus went back to heaven (book of Hebrews) to serve as High Priest in the Heavenly Sanctuary, ONLY in the OT, does it tell us what the High Priest did, in the earthly anctuary Services.

So, by studying the OT we can know exactly what Jesus is doing regarding the Judgment Day of God, called the Day of Atonement, which was held then once a year.

Shadows, in comparasion with reality.
And Yes.....carnal, procedes Spiritual.

God uses the carnal, to teaches Spiritual things.

The earthly Sanctuary services was to teach us about the reality of the Heavenly Sanctuary, where Jesus is doing HIS work as High Priest..
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Matthew 5:11 Blessed are ye, when [men] shall revile you, and persecute [you], and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.