When will Hillary quit?

45degreeN · Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 9:59 am Post subject: When will Hillary quit?

The chances against Hillary actually winning this primary are quite high. She would need to win all of the following primaries and not just win but with high margins and that is just not likely at all.

So what is her motivation? Does she want to bash Obama to the point where he is less likely to win so that in four years she can take the nomination in 2012? Or is she just unwilling to face the music that is slowly announcing her exit?

Since all of the next few primaries are proportional she cannot get 100% of the delegates unless Obama gets less than 15% and that wont happen in any of them even if he quits today. Oregon is very likely to be similar to North Carolina in its ratio of voting.

So what is Hillary's motivation?
Anyone care to speculate?
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Vibrate · Little Hamster Joined: 12 Apr 2008 Posts: 77

This is a serious question:

Who cares? So what?

Can you please explain any worthy purpose behind pursuing a discussion about any existing candidate?

No existing candidate has ever made a declaration, or outlined a campaign, which is not based in the secular system. Hence they are all false. The system is a fraud, and so are their campaigns. None of them stands for truth.

Anyone who wants to campaign in a fallen system must first of all explain that they do not believe in the system itself, but that they are using that system according to a different, higher system, which they do believe in. They should then continue to build a campaign around this principle, always reminding listeners where they are coming from, and taking every effort to implicitly and explicitly distance themselves from any hint of belief in the false system.

Anyone who wants to discuss any campaign should also clearly state beforehand that they are talking about a higher principle acting through the political structure, and not about the political structure on its own. That way, we can know that they are talking about something real, and not about illusion. The system is a fraud, and that political structure is an illusion. However, it is very possible to use the positions created by people's actions through the false system, and to use those positions for positive ends. Therefore it is possible for us to have a meaningful discussion, and through that discussion, it is possible for the power of God's world to go out into the human institutions that run human governments and elections of regimes.

But please do not try to discuss nonsense that goes nowhere. That is an abominable practice because it occupies space that should be used by people who have something meaningful and progressive to say. This website is called bible-discussion. So we need to be talking about God's truth, and not illusion.

Pondering · Lion King Joined: 15 Sep 2005 Posts: 1369

uh...hello...this is the Political Forum...sometimes there is a religious angle to the discussion threads here, but this forum is intended FOR exactly these kinds of posts...

there are several other threads where politics is NOT appropriate and generally, that's respected. I stay out of the Christian Fellowship forum since that is specifically intended for...christians...to get together in....fellowship.

ok..

To answer your question 45...she's the Terminator..she will not quit, she will be reasoned with...

Dems rarely re-run candidates, you only get 1 shot as a "real" candidate (see Biden) and generally, dems have an 8 year senior political lifespan...the best she can hope for as a consolation prize is to take Kennedy's position as Elder Blowhard...she doesn't want to settle for that...

She'll take the nomination or take the party down with her. It's a Clinton thing.
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45degreeN · Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 11:30 am Post subject:

Last night on the "Daily Show" it was suggested to McCain that Hillary might be his VP candidate (since she has used his ideas so well) needless to say he turned the idea down but it still make sense to me. McCain is known for "crossing the political aisle"and this would cinch it. What it would do to the core republicans who really don't like McCain anyway, I suspect this would seal it for him in another way.

Given the betrayal of the democrats by Lieberman this is just another example. Since Hillary is closer to McCain than Bush, it would certainly show the country where she stands. For the last couple of months she has been praising McCain in lieu of Obama.
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Trinity1 · Emperor of the World Joined: 02 Apr 2006 Posts: 3123

I seriously don't see a reason for Hillary to leave now. For a party that wants to wrap itself up in the platitude of being for the little guy... 'count all the votes'... she sure has a case to be made with Florida and Michigan… she has a case to be made of electability... and she also has the case to make about those folks in the remaining states having a say so. Then... its off to the convention to demonstrate to the party big wigs (super delegates) that Obama only appealed to those so far left of the center that he has a snow balls chance in hell to beat the 'centrist' McCain.
I'm not too sure you can be counting Hillary out just yet. Obama was essentially given a free ride up until he got so far ahead in the delegate count and people started actually thinking that he just might win... then... and only then... did the media finally get its head out of its fourth point of contact and start doing it s job by actually looking at what a radical socialist black separatist American hating fool this fella actually is. But now... it is too late for Hillary to do much about it except keep it close and make a case to the super delegates at the convention.
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Vibrate · Little Hamster Joined: 12 Apr 2008 Posts: 77

Well I had more posts, about 32, but many got deleted from the system for some reason.

Anyway, as I have been saying, politics is a natural element of human life, which God has created, and it is great for us to reason together about it so that we can learn how to understand and control this element of life. But the problem is that the system that these guys are talking about is not real.
So what's happening here is that nominally this is a website about bible discussion, and specifically about politics. However instead of talking about the real political structure that God created, people are choosing to talk about what the world calls politics, which is an illusion. What this amounts to is political marginalization of the true message and the true reality. The mass media is perpetrating the same abominable deception, and people have become so brainwashed that they have forgotten that a natural political system created by God even exists. Note the last response I got in this thread from Pondering, which takes the tone that I must be some kind of dummy - "uh... hello... [dummy]".
Please see the thread that I have started in this category of politics, and let's see if we can get a real discussion going instead of talking about the illusion as if it were real, and thereby continuing the marginalization of truth.
And by the way, I must say that politics is vitally important, and when mass media and its followers continue to perpetrate this abominable marginalization of the true political reality, they are in fact robbing the people of a vital truth that is essential to a prosperous way of life. So please don't imagine for a second that I'm talking about some abstract theory, but in fact we should deal with the hard facts and reality of life.

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Vibrate · Little Hamster Joined: 12 Apr 2008 Posts: 77

Trinity 1, thank you for the response, spoken like someone who was raised to believe in the false system, and who has never been properly exposed to the true political system. If you are willing to examine the evidence impartially, then we can easily get to the bottom of this.
Let me begin by stating clearly that on earth, the best that we can get is not some false secular system. The best we can get on earth is the kingdom of God. If you believe in some other "reality" then you do not believe fully in the kingdom of God. Maybe you have been taught that the kingdom of God is a pie in the sky waiting for you after you die. This is of course a standard technique used by oppressors who want to impose a false system on people by the power of brainwashing, so it is not surprising that it is taught so reverently today.
There is one reality, and only one, that God is the creator of everything, and He is the only power and authority. The only system at work - politically, and in any other way, is the will of God. He is the only law-giver. Yet there are others, outside of the reality of this system, who claim to be law-givers. Their laws are just a bluff. They claim to have created whole regimes, and sovereign nations, but it is all a bluff. Only God is sovereign, and he has created His people as the only nation, under His law alone.
These ideas that there are other systems that exist, other nations and other laws are blasphemous and very harmful, since by teaching people, especially the children, to believe in these lies, false leaders are keeping the children away from the land of promise, which is the kingdom of God.

45degreeN · Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 5:18 am Post subject:

Vibrtate wrote something about the false system. Well try and get anything done anywhere in the world and find out just how false it is. This is typical of a gnostic who talks about the world being an illusion and yet wont step in front of a moving train knowing that it is an illusion and yet fearing for their life.

There is no use at all for declaring the political system false without some sort of ability to falsify it and you cant. It is as real as things get here on Earth. You should prepare to deal with it as it sits first and IF you can change it then you can gloat about it.

All Christians should acknowledge that the Kingdom of god is not here on Earth (yet) and that when we die and make it to heaven we will be able to experience it in its fullest but not until the time that Christ comes to take over this world will it exist here. Preterists will just suffer horribly until that future comes around.
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Vibrate · Little Hamster Joined: 12 Apr 2008 Posts: 77

Yeah I know how computers are, no problem. All for the best, I'm sure.
Thanks for the responses.

45degreeN · Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 5:48 am Post subject:

Hold on a minute folks