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JB
Lion King
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Yehu,
Awesome post. |
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Bible Believing Christian
Not So Newbie
Joined: 13 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 5:03 pm Post subject: |
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All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 2 Tim. 3:16
| Quote: | Henry Alford, the highly respected author of New Testament for English Readers, wrote: “Two men may be equally led by the Holy Spirit to record the events of our Lord’s life for our edification, though one may believe, and record, that the visit to the Gadarenes took place before the calling of Matthew, while the other places it after that event; though one in narrating it speaks of two demoniacs—the other, only of one. . . .
In other words, the human phase of the divine-human communication system will be beset with occasional discrepancies—simply because of human finiteness. Stephen’s eloquent sermon (Acts 7) contains an incidental reference to the number (75) of Jacob’s family who went into Egypt to live with Joseph. However, the Genesis reference (46:27) states that 70 of Jacob’s family went into Egypt. What shall we make of this difference? If we believe that Genesis is the only historical source that Jews in the first century had for this information, then we simply understand that the Holy Spirit (the Spirit of Prophecy) guided Stephen in reciting the big picture, but did not intervene on details. Prophets do not necessarily become “authorities” on historical data. Their inspirational value lies in their messages, not in some of the details that are incidental to the big picture. Hermeneutics/2 chap.33 pp.3 |
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Yehushuan
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Location: Charismatic
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Oh no, here we go again. It’s like they crawl out of the woodwork like cockroaches.
Why can’t the Bible Thumpers actually believe what the Bible actually says?
| Bible Believing Christian quoting Henry Alford wrote: | | In other words, the human phase of the divine-human communication system will be beset with occasional discrepancies—simply because of human finiteness. |
So why shouldn’t that also apply to the verse you just quoted?
Your God only cares about the “big picture” and can’t get the details right? 
When Paul supposedly penned 2 Timothy 3:26, what do you think HE meant by “scripture”? Wouldn’t that be the LXX? Possibly even the Hebrew Old Testament. Yet do you really believe that Paul would have YOU read the Law of Moses and develop doctrine from it? You might want to rethink this. Or go ahead and write a doctrine that Jesus wants you to whack your penis off.
How about divorce? Is the writ of divorce given in the Law of Moses ALSO part of “all scripture” given by inspiration of God? Not according to Jesus. Is THAT part “profitable for doctrine”? Hmmmm?
Yehu
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The Sage
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Joined: 17 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 9:38 pm Post subject: how do we know the bible is correct? |
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In case anything might have been left out of the discussion on the subject.
Save this link when you need to show the evidence of the trustworthiness of scripture. Leaves no doubt.
http://debate.org.uk/topics/history/bib-qur/bibmanu.htm
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JonMarie
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Joined: 18 Feb 2008
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Yehu writes: | Quote: | Joh 16:13 KJV Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
But why do you read this as if it says, “Howbeit when it, the Bible, is written, it will guide you into all truth"?
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...because the Bible ISthe living Word of God. The translation or understanding of, is of the Holy Spirit. |
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JonMarie
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| Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 11:41 pm Post subject: |
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| thanks BBC, yes 2 Tim 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: |
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Silver Surfer
Emperor of the World
Joined: 12 Jul 2003
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Location: Hayden, Idaho, USA
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| Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 6:38 pm Post subject: Re: How do we know that the Bible is correct? |
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The Biblical prophecies have PROVEN the Bible to accurate and correct 100% !!!
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JonMarie
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| Quote: | | Only the Knowledge, contained within the Bible, will save anyone. |
IBK
Knowledge does NOTof itself save anyone.
Eph 2:8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: |
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JonMarie
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Yehu writes: (And THAT was so poorly written that the Jews had to come up with the Talmud to discuss the confusing parts.)
If they had the Holy Spirit to guide them they wouldn't have needed the Talmud. |
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JB
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Joined: 16 Feb 2008
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Silver Surfer,
Ephesians 2:8-9
(8) For by grace (th gar cariti). Explanatory reason. "By the grace" already mentioned in Romans 5 and so with the article. Through faith (dia pistews). This phrase he adds in repeating what he said in Romans 5 to make it plainer. "Grace" is God's part, "faith" ours. And that (kai touto). Neuter, not feminine tauth, and so refers not to pistis (feminine) or to caris (feminine also), but to the act of being saved by grace conditioned on faith on our part. Paul shows that salvation does not have its source (ex umwn, out of you) in men, [b]but from God. [/b]Besides, it is God's gift (dwron) and not the result of our work.
(9) That no man should glory (ina mh tis kauchshtai). Negative final clause (ina mh) with first aorist middle subjunctive of kaucaomai. It is all of God's grace.
Hope this clears up your misunderstandings on Grace verses works.
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JonMarie
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| Amen JB! |
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