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theseldomscene
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| knuckle wrote: | hi all-------------
had Jesus raised the "rich man" instead would the Pharisees still been inclined to kill them?
much love----------knuckle |
awesome insight knuckle...
i would say perhaps so...i mean, they seemed to like cash and...if i remember correctly, JESUS accused them of devouring widows house(but double check that may have been one of the other groups HE scorned)...so how could they do so to the widow of a rich man if JESUS raised him from the dead?...as she would no longer be a widow...
good question sir... |
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theseldomscene
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| Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 12:30 pm Post subject: Re: John 11:35 |
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| trettep wrote: | here is a verse before this:
Joh 11:33 When Jesus therefore saw her weeping, and the Jews also weeping which came with her, he groaned in the spirit, and was troubled,
He became agitated in His Spirit upon seeing them weeping. I believe that Jesus felt their grief. I believe the raising of Lazarus signified so much more but as for the weaping I can only believe that it is in relation to the grief He felt for those weeping.
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phil. 2:1 If there be therefore any consolation in Christ, if any comfort of love, if any fellowship of the Spirit, if any bowels and mercies,
2Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind. |
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JonMarie
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| Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 11:04 am Post subject: re:John 11:35 |
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thank you Atoz you have read the whole chapter, you thrilled me.
John 11:1-6 Now a certain man was sick, named Lazarus, of Bethany, the town of Mary and her sister Martha.
2(It was that Mary which anointed the Lord with ointment, and wiped his feet with her hair, whose brother Lazarus was sick.)
3Therefore his sisters sent unto him, saying, Lord, behold, he whom thou lovest is sick.
4When Jesus heard that, he said, This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God, that the Son of God might be glorified thereby.
5Now Jesus loved Martha, and her sister, and Lazarus.
6When he had heard therefore that he was sick, he abode two days still in the same place where he was.
John 11:11 These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.
John 11:15 And I am glad for your sakes that I was not there, to the intent ye may believe; nevertheless let us go unto him.
John 11 :23-26 Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.
24Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.
25Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
26And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
John 11: 32 Then when Mary was come where Jesus was, and saw him, she fell down at his feet, saying unto him, Lord, if thou hadst been here, my brother had not died.
28And when she had so said, she went her way, and called Mary her sister secretly, saying, The Master is come, and calleth for thee.
as soon as she heard that, she arose quickly, and came unto him.
31The Jews then which were with her in the house,....followed her, saying, She goeth unto the grave to weep there. (she was not going to weep but was responding to the call of the Master)
32Then when Mary was come where Jesus was, and saw him, she fell down at his feet, saying unto him, Lord, if thou hadst been here, my brother had not died.
33When Jesus therefore saw her weeping, and the Jews also weeping which came with her, he groaned in the spirit, and was troubled.
34And said, Where have ye laid him? They said unto him, Lord, come and see.
35Jesus wept.
36Then said the Jews, Behold how he loved him!
37And some of them said, Could not this man, which opened the eyes of the blind, have caused that even this man should not have died? ( here they are expressing their lack of faith)
38Jesus therefore again groaning in himself cometh to the grave.
39Jesus said, Take ye away the stone. Martha, the sister of him that was dead, saith unto him, Lord, by this time he stinketh: for he hath been dead four days.
40Jesus saith unto her, [b]Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?[/b] |
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JonMarie
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| Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 12:29 pm Post subject: |
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32When Mary came to the place where Jesus was and saw Him, she dropped down at His feet, saying to Him, Lord, if You had been here, my brother would not have died.
33When Jesus saw her sobbing, and the Jews who came with her [also] sobbing, He was deeply moved in spirit and troubled. [He chafed in spirit and sighed and was disturbed.]
34And He said, Where have you laid him? They said to Him, Lord, come and see.
35Jesus wept.
36The Jews said, See how [tenderly] He loved him!
37But some of them said, Could not He Who opened a blind man's eyes have prevented this man from dying?
38Now Jesus, again sighing repeatedly and deeply disquieted, approached the tomb. It was a cave (a hole in the rock), and a boulder lay against [the entrance to close] it.
39Jesus said, Take away the stone. Martha, the sister of the dead man, exclaimed, But Lord, by this time he [is decaying and] throws off an offensive odor, for he has been dead four days!
40Jesus said to her, Did I not tell you and [a]promise you that if you would believe and rely on Me, you would see the glory of God? 41So they took away the stone. And Jesus lifted up His eyes and said, Father, I thank You that You have heard Me.
42Yes, I know You always hear and listen to Me, but I have said this on account of and for the benefit of the people standing around, so that they may believe that You did send Me [that You have made Me Your Messenger]. He was troubled at their lack of believing Him
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| Quote: | | There are some of us within the Pentecostal tradition that have experienced the anointing of the Holy Ghost to such an extent that we cannot stand up. At times the power is so heavy upon us that we can hardly move even to speak. On certain occasions there is a joy so overwhelming that we can hardly catch our breath from uncontrollable laughter, and people think we are drunk. |
| Quote: | | Then there is the prophet’s travail. A grief so all encompassing that we do not cry, we flat out wail. Yet this is not to express personal human emotion from some cause. This is a near physical reaction, an expression of the anointing of the Holy Ghost when great power comes upon us, usually in conjunction with a great disease that needs to be healed, whether in the body or in the human spirit of another. This is not a common experience among men or even believers, yet even I can hardly imagine what Jesus must have felt when the power of the anointing of the Holy Ghost came upon Him to the extent that He could raise Lazarus from the dead after four days. |
Did the healing occur? I attended a penecostal church for some time. I was "slain in the spirit", a person in my church at that time believed the "name it and claim it faith" and went to work in denial of his illness, and in sickness passed out and died. You will know them by their fruit. For me, that church proved itself to be emotional hype, and the power of suggestion, and that church is no more.
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| Quote: | | In John 11:35, He was crying in Love for the audience's lack of faith, which meant their lack of Love and the presence of ths sin of Hatred in their hearts, since faith works by Love: Galatians 5:6, and faithlessness works by Hatred. |
Gal 5:6For [if we are] in Christ Jesus, neither circumcision nor uncircumcision counts for anything, but only faith activated and energized and expressed and working through love.
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tss wrote:
| Quote: | | or maybe they were just jealous and scared of losing their followers and power and with it income... |
scripture does bear witness to the truth of your statement
Matthew 27:
63Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again.
64Command therefore that the sepulchre be made sure until the third day, lest his disciples come by night, and steal him away, and say unto the people, He is risen from the dead: so the last error shall be worse than the first.
65Pilate said unto them, Ye have a watch: go your way, make it as sure as ye can.
66So they went, and made the sepulchre sure, sealing the stone, and setting a watch.
Matthew 28:
11Now when they were going, behold, some of the watch came into the city, and shewed unto the chief priests all the things that were done.
12And when they were assembled with the elders, and had taken counsel, they gave large money unto the soldiers,
13Saying, Say ye, His disciples came by night, and stole him away while we slept.
14And if this come to the governor's ears, we will persuade him, and secure you.
15So they took the money, and did as they were taught: and this saying is commonly reported among the Jews until this day. |
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Yehushuan
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| Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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| JonMarie wrote: | | Did the healing occur? |
Yes, and I am dreadfully sorry that you seem to think it meet to reject the entire branch of the Pentecostal church because of one misguided fellowship. As you say, though, that church is no more, and we shall let Christ build His church as necessary.
Yet not even Jesus had a 100% success rate as shown here:
Mar 6:4-6 KJV But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, but in his own country, and among his own kin, and in his own house. (5) And he could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands upon a few sick folk, and healed them. (6) And he marvelled because of their unbelief. And he went round about the villages, teaching.
Please accept my condolences for the death of your friend, but not knowing the specifics I could hardly speak out on this singular event.
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JonMarie
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| Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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Yehu wrote | Quote: | Yet not even Jesus had a 100% success rate as shown here:
Mar 6:4-6 KJV But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, but in his own country, and among his own kin, and in his own house. (5) And he could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands upon a few sick folk, and healed them. (6) And he marvelled because of their unbelief. And he went round about the villages, teaching. |
Yet not even Jesus had a 100% success rate as shown here: Are you kidding?
the Son of God, who is God, who can do all things?
out of His infinate mercy, for their (being the faithless)benefit decided not to do mighty works because as being God and knowing all things, and knowing that even witnessing mighty works would not convince the blind faithless to repent, thereby bringing a worse judgement upon themselves. |
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JonMarie
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| Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 10:11 am Post subject: |
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| no comment Yehu? |
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