fulfilling the law

lone-traveler · Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 2:51 pm Post subject: fulfilling the law

just sitting here and thinking..

When Jesus came to fulfil the law, did he come to fulfil the parts of the law that had not been kept..such as
love thy neighbour as thyself.
God keeps saying in the OT that they kept breaking his laws. even though they was doing the works..washing, sacrificing, tithing, etc..they was still breaking it nevertheless.
So the parts that were hmm..overlooked, Jesus came to fulfil?

just tossin..
hugs
lone
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Joh 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

JB · Grizzly Bear Joined: 16 Feb 2008 Posts: 726

Lone,
Good start up. I have always believed that, keeping the law wasn't the key, but it was the heart condition that motivated the keeping of the law that was a key.

Jesus set examples through love and compassion and that was ultimately qualified at the cross. The difference between philio love and agape love is the heart condition in which things are done.

God Bless and thanks

nana · Bear Cub Joined: 01 May 2006 Posts: 625

Greetings lone,

Hope your travels have gone easy and you can be home for awhile.

The law carried with it a curse and that curse was the penalty of death.

When Christ died for the sin of the world the requirements of the law was met.

The covenant of the law could not be broken because it was a covenant, so to release us from the curse of death, it had to be fulfilled. Christ' death fulfilled the law.

Gal 3:10, "For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is everyone that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

11)But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

13) Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every on that hangeth on a tree:"

Praise the name of the Lord, Judy

JimD · Cobra Joined: 05 Nov 2007 Posts: 499

Hi Nana, how have you been? Where have you been?

So, were people in the OT saved by grace through faith, and the blood of Christ , the same as we?
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Anyone can point out a scripture here and there and prove anything they want to believe, but good theology is understanding the message of the gospel as a whole. Sincerely, JimD

nana · Bear Cub Joined: 01 May 2006 Posts: 625

Hi JimD,

JimD Wrote:

lone-traveler · Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 8:12 pm Post subject:

Hi Nana,
I was home for a little over a month and now back on the road again..was a nice rest that's for sure.. Very Happy

Gal 3:10, "For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is everyone that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

Lev 21:16 ¶ And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Lev 21:17 Speak unto Aaron, saying, Whosoever [he be] of thy seed in their generations that hath [any] blemish, let him not approach to offer the bread of his God.
Lev 21:18 For whatsoever man [he be] that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or any thing superfluous,
Lev 21:19 Or a man that is brokenfooted, or brokenhanded,
Lev 21:20 Or crookbackt, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones broken;
Lev 21:21 No man that hath a blemish of the seed of Aaron the priest shall come nigh to offer the offerings of the LORD made by fire: he hath a blemish; he shall not come nigh to offer the bread of his God.
Lev 21:22 He shall eat the bread of his God, [both] of the most holy, and of the holy.
Lev 21:23 Only he shall not go in unto the vail, nor come nigh unto the altar, because he hath a blemish; that he profane not my sanctuaries: for I the LORD do sanctify them.
Lev 21:24 And Moses told [it] unto Aaron, and to his sons, and unto all the children of Israel.

I notice that they are not to be servers but rather served.

reminds me of when Jesus is asked about the blind man, whether it was his parents who sinned..but Jesus said:

Jhn 9:1 ¶ And as [Jesus] passed by, he saw a man which was blind from [his] birth.
Jhn 9:2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?
Jhn 9:3 Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.
Jhn 9:4 I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.
Jhn 9:5 As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.

So I see Jesus coming to fulfill the law according to Leviticus 21.
God was going to wash them and clean them and heal them and sanctify them himself. And feed him his own bread from his own table.

Mat 15:30 And great multitudes came unto him, having with them [those that were] lame, blind, dumb, maimed, and many others, and cast them down at Jesus' feet; and he healed them:
Mat 15:31 Insomuch that the multitude wondered, when they saw the dumb to speak, the maimed to be whole, the lame to walk, and the blind to see: and they glorified the God of Israel.

Job 22:29 When [men] are cast down, then thou shalt say, [There is] lifting up; and he shall save the humble person.

Mar 10:45 For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

11)But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

and so,

Mar 10:46 ¶ And they came to Jericho: and as he went out of Jericho with his disciples and a great number of people, blind Bartimaeus, the son of Timaeus, sat by the highway side begging.
Mar 10:47 And when he heard that it was Jesus of Nazareth, he began to cry out, and say, Jesus, [thou] Son of David, have mercy on me.
Mar 10:48 And many charged him that he should hold his peace: but he cried the more a great deal, [Thou] Son of David, have mercy on me.
Mar 10:49 And Jesus stood still, and commanded him to be called. And they call the blind man, saying unto him, Be of good comfort, rise; he calleth thee.
Mar 10:50 And he, casting away his garment, rose, and came to Jesus.
Mar 10:51 And Jesus answered and said unto him, What wilt thou that I should do unto thee? The blind man said unto him, Lord, that I might receive my sight.
Mar 10:52 And Jesus said unto him, Go thy way; thy faith hath made thee whole. And immediately he received his sight, and followed Jesus in the way.

If the blind man had not had faith would the works still have worked?

Act 14:27 And when they were come, and had gathered the church together, they rehearsed all that God had done with them, and how he had opened the door of faith unto the Gentiles.

the door of faith.. Idea

hugs nana..
God Bless
lone
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Joh 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

nana · Bear Cub Joined: 01 May 2006 Posts: 625

Greetings lone,

lone wrote:

lone-traveler · Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 7:18 am Post subject:

Exd 23:7 Keep thee far from a false matter; and the innocent and righteous slay thou not: for I will not justify the wicked.
Deu 25:1 If there be a controversy between men, and they come unto judgment, that [the judges] may judge them; then they shall justify the righteous, and condemn the wicked.

Job 32:2 Then was kindled the wrath of Elihu the son of Barachel the Buzite, of the kindred of Ram: against Job was his wrath kindled, because he justified himself rather than God.
Job 36:1 ¶ Elihu also proceeded, and said,
Job 36:2 Suffer me a little, and I will shew thee that [I have] yet to speak on God's behalf.
Job 36:13 ¶ But the hypocrites in heart heap up wrath: they cry not when he bindeth them.
Job 36:14 They die in youth, and their life [is] among the unclean.
Job 36:15 He delivereth the poor in his affliction, and openeth their ears in oppression.
Job 36:16 Even so would he have removed thee out of the strait [into] a broad place, where [there is] no straitness; and that which should be set on thy table [should be] full of fatness.
Job 36:17 But thou hast fulfilled the judgment of the wicked: judgment and justice take hold [on thee].
Job 36:18 Because [there is] wrath, [beware] lest he take thee away with [his] stroke: then a great ransom cannot deliver thee.

What does it mean that Job fulfilled the judgment of the wicked..judgment and justice take hold of him?

Job justified himself?

Luk 10:29 But he, willing to justify himself, said unto Jesus, And who is my neighbour?
Luk 16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.

(Job 36:13 ¶ But the hypocrites in heart heap up wrath: they cry not when he bindeth them. )

Act 13:38 Be it known unto you therefore, men [and] brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:
Act 13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.
Act 13:40 Beware therefore, lest that come upon you, which is spoken of in the prophets;
Act 13:41 Behold, ye despisers, and wonder, and perish: for I work a work in your days, a work which ye shall in no wise believe, though a man declare it unto you.

Rom 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

what then of this:

Exd 23:7 Keep thee far from a false matter; and the innocent and righteous slay thou not: for I will not justify the wicked.

who are the "ungodly"? in the eyes of God or in the eyes of men?

Luk 16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.

yea I hear:

Isaiah chapter 5...

I think even the "ungodly" had appeared clean compared to the cleaness of the godly.

Rev 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
Rev 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and [that] the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
Rev 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

Isa 58:6 ¶ [Is] not this the fast that I have chosen? to loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke?
Isa 58:7 [Is it] not to deal thy bread to the hungry, and that thou bring the poor that are cast out to thy house? when thou seest the naked, that thou cover him; and that thou hide not thyself from thine own flesh?
Isa 58:8 Then shall thy light break forth as the morning, and thine health shall spring forth speedily: and thy righteousness shall go before thee; the glory of the LORD shall be thy rereward.
Isa 58:9 Then shalt thou call, and the LORD shall answer; thou shalt cry, and he shall say, Here I [am]. If thou take away from the midst of thee the yoke, the putting forth of the finger, and speaking vanity;
Isa 58:10 And [if] thou draw out thy soul to the hungry, and satisfy the afflicted soul; then shall thy light rise in obscurity, and thy darkness [be] as the noonday:
Isa 58:11 And the LORD shall guide thee continually, and satisfy thy soul in drought, and make fat thy bones: and thou shalt be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters fail not.
Isa 58:12 And [they that shall be] of thee shall build the old waste places: thou shalt raise up the foundations of many generations; and thou shalt be called, The repairer of the breach, The restorer of paths to dwell in.

sounds like the beginning and the ending of Job.

Job 36:16 Even so would he have removed thee out of the strait [into] a broad place, where [there is] no straitness; and that which should be set on thy table [should be] full of fatness.

Rev 2:5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.

Hbr 9:2 For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein [was] the candlestick, and the table, and the shewbread; which is called the sanctuary.

If Job had not repented..then his candlestick..his testimony..his name would have been erased from the book of life? he would have been hmm blotted out?

Job 36:17 But thou hast fulfilled the judgment of the wicked: judgment and justice take hold [on thee].

Job fulfilled the judgment of the wicked and by faith he was justified.
But in the beginning he relied on the works of the law and not on faith..and so wrath fell on him until he repented of the works of his hands and relied on God for justification through faith.

Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

Deu 31:17 Then my anger shall be kindled against them in that day, and I will forsake them, and I will hide my face from them, and they shall be devoured, and many evils and troubles shall befall them; so that they will say in that day, Are not these evils come upon us, because our God [is] not among us?

Jdg 7:4 And the LORD said unto Gideon, The people [are] yet [too] many; bring them down unto the water, and I will try them for thee there: and it shall be, [that] of whom I say unto thee, This shall go with thee, the same shall go with thee; and of whomsoever I say unto thee, This shall not go with thee, the same shall not go.

Mat 3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?

Mat 24:40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

Lev 26:39 And they that are left of you shall pine away in their iniquity in your enemies' lands; and also in the iniquities of their fathers shall they pine away with them.

what is "pine away"?

hugs
lone
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Joh 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

nana · Bear Cub Joined: 01 May 2006 Posts: 625

Hi lone,

lone wrote:

nana · Bear Cub Joined: 01 May 2006 Posts: 625

Hi again lone,

lone wrote:

JimD · Cobra Joined: 05 Nov 2007 Posts: 499

lone-traveler · Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 9:00 am Post subject:

Hi nana,
no hurt here.. Wink

It's not always doing word searches..it's more like verses that just pop in my head as I'm thinking..
I'm sorry if this is confusing..
I understand what I'm writing as I go along, many things come at me real quick and I just follow where it leads me.

I'll try to keep it in context..but the context is everywhere.. Rolling Eyes

big hugs nana..

so the wicked will vanish away..hmm
that's interesting.
Thanks nana

lone
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Joh 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

JB · Grizzly Bear Joined: 16 Feb 2008 Posts: 726

JimD'
Excellent question

Seek truth and you will find it.
God Bless my Brother

lone-traveler · Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 9:31 am Post subject:

Deu 25:1 If there be a controversy between men, and they come unto judgment, that [the judges] may judge them; then they shall justify the righteous, and condemn the wicked.

2Ch 19:6 And said to the judges, Take heed what ye do: for ye judge not for man, but for the LORD, who [is] with you in the judgment.

Luk 6:37 ¶ Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:
Luk 6:38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.

Luk 6:35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and [to] the evil.
Luk 6:36 Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.

how could they judge righteous judment if there was none righteous no not one?

and there was no mercy under the law of Moses..hmm

still thinkin..
hugs
lone
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Joh 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
Joh 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

JimD · Cobra Joined: 05 Nov 2007 Posts: 499