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atoz
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 Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 7:48 am Post subject: "English is e.t.e. is based on God's Unconditional Love |
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| ardnassac wrote: |
Heya
Ardnassac is my first name backwards,
I've never liked Cassandra lol...
Thanks for the advice, I will do
I dont think any subject can be just one thing.
A lot of subjects interlink.
I never was really good at Math,
however
I did get a B at GCSE, which came as a big shock!
However, I dont think that the subjects you have put together can be the same to some 16 year olds, but not me..
I always found English a lot more interllectual and interesting than Math. Math is just numbers on a page, bores me to death, but change those numbers to letters and words, and I could sit there all day just working out what they mean.
Math and Art are quite similar, I cant draw or paint to save my life.
However the photography side of Art is amazing, and although I love taking photos and spending hours on end in the dark room developing my photos; I also love the book work. Using my own imagination to create an interesting layout and content for each page.
Dance and Math go together easily. You have to be able to count for starters.. When you do A-Level or any other higher education dance, you generally have to learn notation, which is exsactly like maths.. It's all about symbols, it's very confusing, but I actually like doing it. Being good at maths helps a lot, theres some girls in my class who cant do math and so they cant do notation..
If you have a passion for something, then it is different, but if not, it can be like any other subject.. I read and write because I love it,
however to people who dont,
it can be as bad as sat doing math.
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Hi Ardnassac,
Here it is:
Intro:
When I say to any person or persons:
'You are my everything,'
I imply and mean that I love them as all words,
and that they literally mean all other words to me!
So if at that very time I hate any other words or any other things,
I am lying when I imply that I love them as everything they are to me!
So the only way that
'You are everything to me'
literally is true and means that
'I love you all the way'
is
when I love myself as all words AND their opposites,
which is what everyone and everything is,
so that I love that person as everything and so mean all of the Love I imply when i say
You are my everything or U are everything to me.
And that way is what is expressed in:
Matthew 22:36-40 and Mt 5:43-48 and Ecles 3:1-8 for starters.
There is endless more.
So:
When I love myself as all words and so love all words as myself,
Love means all words and all words mean Love.
And so,
based on the Math's principle that
where things equal to the same thing are themselves equal,
then
since each word means Love,
and
all words mean Love,
then
each word means all words
and
all words mean each word!
Therefore,
when that one word is 'English,'
then 'english' means all other words!
So Math is English,
art is english,
chinese is english,
gibberish is english,
greek is english,
hebrew is english,
every word IS english.
Therefore, math is english and all words too!
5 is five.
Math is english!
Now God is everything!
Therefore to hate any word or number, which numbers are also all words, is to hate God who is every word, and every number, which word is what everything is!!!!!!
See John 1:1.
So it is only by loving me as all words & their opposites that I can love God as everything as myself
and so love all other people as everything as myself!
qed.
Therefore, one of God's mottoes is that old MUsketeer thang:
One for all and all for one!smile
See Matt 25:35-45.
So, Ard, if you lvoed english all the way, by loving all words, even Cassandra!smile --by loving YOU all the way as all words,
your math wd improve,
your art wd improve,
your dance wd improve,
your dyslexia would deprove,
your lexia wd improve ---automatically!!!!
see?
And you are only 16!
Think how many other dyslexics you can help!!!!
wow!
In the Love by which everything is connected and interconnected to everything else,
atoz
[/b]Bonus:[/b]
Artist: Barry White
Song: You're My First, My Last, My Everything
[Notice that, when you are loved as everything, how you ARE 'so many things!' Obviously BW's Love is missing what's left over after 'so many things & so many ways!' are counted, tho it seems to include 'ALL dreams!'smile]
The first, the last, my everything
And the answer to all my dreams
You're my sun, my moon, my guiding star
My kind of wonderful, that's what you are
I know there's only, only one like you
There's no way they could have made two
You're all I'm living for
Your love I'll keep for evermore
You're the first, your the last, my everything
And with you I've found so many things
A love so new only you could bring
Can't you see it's you
You make me feel this way
You're like a fresh morning dew on a brand new day
I see so many ways that I
Can love you till the day I die
You're my reality, yet I'm lost in a-a-a a dream
You're the first, the last, my everything
I know there's only, only one like you
There's no way they could have made two
Girl you're my reality
But I'm lost in a-a-a a dream
You're the first, you're the last, my everything
Here is the real deal:
So they loved, as Love in twain
Had the essence but in one;
Two distincts, division none:
Number there In Love was slain.
Phoenix and the Turtle
Number is slain
when
Love for any one or for anything
is infinite, endless, numberless, without end.
Ephesians 3:
14For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
15Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named,
16That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man;
17That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith;
that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
18May be able to comprehend with all saints what the breadth, and length, and depth, and height [of Love is];
19And to know the love of Christ,
which passeth knowledge, [God loves even ignorance!]
that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.[b]
20Now unto him that is able to do [b]exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think,
according to the power that worketh in us,
21Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end.
Amen.
Hope that inspires you, Dra! smile
What do you think?
In the Love that makes everything out of nothing and makes nothing in to something, smile
atozandra or atossandra or zotassandra or ardnassatoz, smile
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Ardnassdac
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| Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 8:13 am Post subject: |
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Well that needed reading twice to fully understand 
First thing that came to mind, is the saying that 'God is everywhere and in everything'.
This brings a whole new literal meaning to this, because everything is everything else, meaning everything is god.
| Quote: | Now God is everything!
Therefore to hate any word or number, which numbers are also all words, is to hate God who is every word, and every number, which word is what everything is!!!!!!
See John 1:1. |
Does this apply for everything, because everything is everything? Meaning I can say I love you.. But hating someone else, means I hate you too.
There is always a word or thing that you do not like or hate. Does this mean that whenever you say 'you are my everything' you are lying?
| Quote: | each word means Love,
and
all words mean Love, |
Does this mean that hate means love?
Also, if all words mean all other words, then the opposite of a word means the same as that word.
For example; yes means no
If this is so, then is there any point in words, if all words mean other words?
(Are we reading into this a little too deep, I wonder?)
| Quote: | So, Ard, if you lvoed english all the way, by loving all words, even Cassandra!smile --by loving YOU all the way as all words,
your math wd improve,
your art wd improve,
your dance wd improve,
your dyslexia would deprove,
your lexia wd improve ---automatically!!!!
see? |
Well done, you've made it so I have to love my own name, to love anything else..
It's like the saying 'you cannot love someone else, until you love yourself'.
So you are saying here, that by loving myself, I can make all these things improve... Hmm.. yea seems logical..
Thanks and Love
Ard
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atoz
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| Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 10:26 am Post subject: |
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Ard!
Your words brought tears of joy to my eyes, literally!
Nuff said!
Saving you up for later as we save the best for last!
[Wilber & D, Str8 out of the mouths of babes and sucklings!sigh
And she is only 16!!!!
Read her and let's weep together in Love like this:
Patience[D?smile] and sorrow[you?smile] strove
Who should express her goodliest. You have seen
Sunshine and rain at once: her smiles and tears
Were like, a better way. Those happy smilets
That play'd on her ripe lip seem'd not to know
What guests were in her eyes, which parted thence
As pearls from diamonds dropp'd. In brief,
Sorrow would be a rarity most belov'd,
If all could so [in Love] become it.[/b]]
King Lear [IV, 3]
A resounding AMEN to all you said, Ard or Dra---with explanations to come on your point about why use words if all words mean all words!smile
Q for you to meditate on in the meantime:
When you look up the meanings of words,
have you ever noticed of what the meanings of thsoe words are entirely composed?smile
Maybe this will get you turned on to Shakespeare which will in turn re-turn you on!smile
Fluellen.
Why, I pray you, is not pig great?
the pig,
or the great, or the mighty, or the huge,
or the magnanimous
are all one reckonings,
save
the phrase is a little variations.
Gower.
I think Alexander the Great was born in Macedon;
his father was called Philip of Macedon, as I take it.
Fluellen.
I think it is in Macedon where Alexander is porn.
I tell you, captain, if you look in the maps of the
'orld, I warrant you sall find,
in the comparisons between Macedon and Monmouth, that the situations, look you, is both alike.
There is a river in Macedon;
and there is also moreover a river at
Monmouth: it is called Wye at Monmouth;
but it is out of my prains what is the name of the other
river;
but 'tis all one, 'tis alike as my fingers is
to my fingers, and there is salmons in both.
If you mark Alexander's life well,
Harry of Monmouth's life is come after it indifferent well; for there is figures in all things.
Alexander, God knows, and you know,
in his rages, and his furies, and his wraths,
and his cholers, and his moods, and his displeasures,
and his indignations,
and also being a little intoxicates in his prains,
did,
in his ales and his angers,
look you,
kill his best friend, Cleitus.
In the meantine, please re-read over YOUR post and re-glean from the granries of your own mind the wisdom that came out of your own heart!
Plus,
here is this to keep you thinking MORE about YOU:
"My only love sprung from my only hate!
Too early seen unknown, and known too late!
Prodigious birth of love it is to me,
That I must love a loathed enemy."
Romeo and Juliet [I, 5]
May God continue to bless you with the Blessing of Blessings:
The Blessing of Love for all blessings and curses!
in the Love by which each word means all words in any and in every context, and which Love shows us which meaning to use everytime---automatically,
atozota
PS:
Joke with meaning for you:
Do you know why
Jonah could not see anything
when he was below sea level?
Because he was below see level!
Or,
Do you know why people can't see anything clearly when they park their cars at the D level and below that level?
Because they are below C [see!] level!
smile
Hmmmmmmmmmm
Did you know which correct meaning of the sound see or sea or c as in incontingency or as in emergency to use in each case---automatically?
And,
HOW did you know how you knew which meaning of each sound to use correctly? |
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Ardnassdac
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| Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Atoz wrote: |
And she is only 16!!!!
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Only 16, but feel like I have lived a lot longer, but still with an eternity ahead to make some difference to peoples lives!
King Lear.. hmm havent read that.. *adds to list in head*! Shall be found and read as soon as I read the book which my mum has just handed me.. It's a bible with my name on it (Cassie). It's in perfect condition.. Apparently she bought it when I was little.. Just found it when bringing stuff down from the attic.. Now seems the right time to give it to me! I was confused of which version of the bible to read, and now it seems, as I was told by Di, God has helped!
| atoz wrote: | Q for you to meditate on in the meantime:
When you look up the meanings of words,
have you ever noticed of what the meanings of thsoe words are entirely composed?smile
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I shall definatly have to think on this.. And look up some words too
| atoz wrote: |
"My only love sprung from my only hate!
Too early seen unknown, and known too late!
Prodigious birth of love it is to me,
That I must love a loathed enemy."
Romeo and Juliet [I, 5]
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It is nor hand, nor foot, nor arm, nor face,
Nor any part belonging to a man.
What's in a name? That which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet:
So Romeo would, were he not Romeo called,
Retain that dear perfection which he owes
Romeo and Juliet [2, 2]
My favorite Shakespearean play. By the time I was in year 7, I knew The Prologue off by heart. Now I know most of the play.. No, I dont watch the film loads, I have actually read the play, cover to cover on many many occasions... As well as a few other plays.. Am trying to build up my collection.. However the place I was buying them closed down  .. And I want to carry on in the same set...
This quote by the way, I think relevent, because as it says, a name is just a name, the person wouldn't change if their name changed.
Love the jokes.. I've never heard them before.. Funny, and yet meaning 
Thanks loads...
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atoz
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| Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Ardnassdac wrote: |
Well that needed reading twice to fully understand
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Atoz:
U mean that it was so nice,
you had to read it twice?smile
| Ardnassdac wrote: |
First thing that came to mind, is the saying that 'God is everywhere and in everything'.
This brings a whole new literal meaning to this, because everything is everything else, meaning everything is god.
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atoz:
Perfect thinking!
[quote="Ardnassdac"]
| Quote: | Now God is everything!
Therefore to hate any word or number, which numbers are also all words, is to hate God who is every word, and every number, which word is what everything is!!!!!!
See John 1:1.
Does this apply for everything, because everything is everything? Meaning I can say I love you.. But hating someone else, means I hate you too.
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Atoz:
Yes!
Hating anyone else means that you hate YOU too as that person!
And hating you as that person means that you hate EVERYONE else as that person!
Do you follow?
Please read 1 John 4:20, Matthew 25:35-45,
James 1:8 and 2 Samuel 13:15.
| Ardnassdac wrote: |
There is always a word or thing that you do not like or hate. |
That's the problem worldwide!
People are taught to hate words without either the teachers or especially the young learners realising that to hate any word is to hate the teacher, the learner and every one else worldwide as that word!
Example:
When my dad taught me to hate fools,
he did not realise that he was teaching me to hate HIM! And I did NOT realise that to hate him as fool meant that I had to first hate me as a fool! And I did not realise that to hate me as a fool meant that I hated everyone worldwide and God as a fool! And I did not realise that I was teaching everyone else worldwide to hate ME as a fool or worse to hate me when they THOUGHT that I was a fool! Etc and etc and etc.
Do you follow?
NB: I do NOT hate any words!
I DO love all my words!
| Ardnassdac wrote: |
Does this mean that whenever you say 'you are my everything' you are lying?
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Atoz: Yes! When I hate any word and say that to anyone, I am lying.
And if they hate any words and believe me, they are lying to themselves!
And when anyone who hates any words says that to me, they are lying.
And when i believe it, i am lying to who?myself!
| Ardnassdac wrote: |
| Quote: | each word means Love,
and
all words mean Love, |
Does this mean that hate means love?
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Atoz:
Yes!!
That's is why and how we are to lvoe and can love haters!!!!!
But when we love all words,
the first sin is to HATE any word!
So that sin of hating any word, including the sin of hating the word 'hate,' is THE first sin!!!!!
See Matthew 5:43-48.
The word Hate is NOT a sin: so we are to love it!
So when put altogether we have the Dream Team of:
Love for all words,
Hate of no word, not even itself,
and
Hate only for hating the sin of hating any word!!!!!!
Example:
So when somone hates us as any word, they are sinning by hating us as that word.
They are NOT the sin;
hating is NOT the sin;
the word that they hate is NOT the sin.
The sin is only the sin of hating the word and hating themselves and us as the word.
So we can easily love the hater as a hater as ourselves since we are also haters who hate the sin of hating any words: we are haters who just happen to hate the right thing: the sin. While they are just haters who just happen to have been taught to hate the wrong thing!
Do you follow?
So,
we can easily love hating--since we only hate the sin of hating any word,
we can easily love the word they hate us as,
and we can easily ONLY hate the sin of hating the word or them as haters!
See how Love surgically deconstructs all words and breaks every thing down finely or exquisitively & rightly divides words down to the nth degree?
See Hebrews 4:12
| Ardnassdac wrote: |
Also, if all words mean all other words, then the opposite of a word means the same as that word.
For example; yes means no
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atoz:
Yes!
Yes also means no!
Here is how words and their opposites work:
Yes is less a no than a no.
And
no is less a yes than a yes.
So any yes that is less yes than another yes might as well be and is a no;
and
any no that is less a no than any other no might as well be and is a yes!
Try it with
give and take,
win or lose,
weak or strong,
win and lose for practice.
It works with all words.
So each word and its opposite are interdefinable.
It is how all words are interconnected: as everything and its opposite nothing!
When last have you said to someone:
Thanx for everything!
And he or she replied:
Don't mention it! That was nothing!
Everything IS noting!
And vice versa!
| Ardnassdac wrote: |
If this is so, then is there any point in words, if all words mean other words?
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Atoz:
U shd know the answer to that by now!smile
That's what words have always meant: other words!!!!
See?
Can you think of anything that is NOT a word?
Can you think of any word that is not sound?
Why is picture worth 1000 words?
Why is a pic a poor pic if it is worth only 1000 words?
| Ardnassdac wrote: |
(Are we reading into this a little too deep, I wonder?)
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Atoz:
On the contrary: we are still in the too shallow shallows!smile
| Ardnassdac wrote: |
| Quote: | So, Ard, if you lvoed english all the way, by loving all words, even Cassandra!smile --by loving YOU all the way as all words,
your math wd improve,
your art wd improve,
your dance wd improve,
your dyslexia would deprove,
your lexia wd improve ---automatically!!!!
see? |
Well done, you've made it so I have to love my own name, to love anything else..
It's like the saying 'you cannot love someone else, until you love yourself'.
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Atoz:
Exactly!!!!!
And you can't love yourself until God shows you how!
See 1 John 4:19.
And how does God love you?
As Himself! Matthew 22:36-40 and 7:12.
And how does God love Himself?
As all words and their opposites.
Matthew 5:43-48 and 7:12.
So how does God teach you that you are to lvoe yourself?
As all words and their opposites!
Then you are automatically loving God and all people worldwide as yourself no matter what name or whatever or whoever they are: which are as all words!!!
qed.
| Ardnassdac wrote: |
So you are saying here, that by loving myself, I can make all these things improve... Hmm.. yea seems logical..
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Atoz:
yes!
Love of all words and their opposites is the Logic of all other logic, and makes everything reasonable, reasoned and logical, and give you the WHY for everything!!
BERTRAND RUSSELL::
Three passions have governed my life:
The longings for Love, the Search for Knowledge,
And unbearable Pity for the suffering of [humankind].
Love brings ecstasy and relieves loneliness.
In the union of Love I have seen
In a mystic miniature the prefiguring vision
Of the heavens that saints and poets have imagined.
With equal passion [of Love] I have sought Knowledge.
I have wished to understand the hearts of [people].
I have wished to know why the stars shine.
Love and knowledge led upwards to the heavens,
But always Pity [in Love] brought me back to earth;
Cries of pain reverberated in my heart
Of children in famine, of victims tortured
And of old people left helpless.
I long to alleviate the evil, but I cannot,
And I too suffer.
This has been my life; I found it worth living.
| Ardnassdac wrote: |
Thanks and Love
Ard
xxx
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atoz:
You are welcome and deserve it!
with all Love and r,
atoz
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Ardnassdac
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| Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 3:41 am Post subject: |
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| atoz wrote: |
| Ardnassdac wrote: | | Well that needed reading twice to fully understand |
Atoz:
U mean that it was so nice,
you had to read it twice?smile
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It was so nice i had to read it twice, however it was confusing, so I had to read it twice... However I make it a rule to never judge anything until I've read or seen it twice.. People, books, films, and so everything you write as well. You can understand something better the second time you read it. The more you read it, the more you learn!
| atoz wrote: | Hating anyone else means that you hate YOU too as that person!
And hating you as that person means that you hate EVERYONE else as that person!
Do you follow?
Please read 1 John 4:20, Matthew 25:35-45,
James 1:8 and 2 Samuel 13:15. |
I agree with 1 John 4:20 completly! It makes perfect sense!!! Loving someone you do not know, but hating someone you know if unfair judgement, you having met the person you are loving, and so they could be a worse person than the person you are hating. (Of course if you are relating this to God, that gets a it more complicated, because God cannot be worse than any man).
Matthew 25:35-45 is a little bit confusing.. Is it basically saying do to others what you would have done to you, even if you know they would not do it back?
James is not in my bible, had to borrow mums, but makes complete and utter perfect sense! How can you be stable if you cant make up your mind about things.
| atoz wrote: | That's the problem worldwide!
People are taught to hate words without either the teachers or especially the young learners realising that to hate any word is to hate the teacher, the learner and every one else worldwide as that word!
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Unfortunatly this is a problems that will continue for many many years, as not many people realise they are being taught wrong.. It's like a right handed person getting to 30 years old and trying to write with their left hand. It's vertually impossible.. However it can be done..
| atoz wrote: | Yes! When I hate any word and say that to anyone, I am lying.
And if they hate any words and believe me, they are lying to themselves!
And when anyone who hates any words says that to me, they are lying.
And when i believe it, i am lying to who?myself! |
Q: Does God love absolutly everyone and everything.. Even those who sin, those who kill, those who rape. Does he love war? Does he love suffering?
| atoz wrote: | Yes!!
That's is why and how we are to lvoe and can love haters!!!!!
But when we love all words,
the first sin is to HATE any word!
So that sin of hating any word, including the sin of hating the word 'hate,' is THE first sin!!!!!
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If love means hate, then to hate someone is to love them, and to love them is to hate them. Meaning you could say to someone 'I hate you' and it would mean the same as saying 'I love you' right? So then you hate everything, AND love everything. I suppose it's the one that you feel most which over rides the other? So if you love more than you hate, then overall you love not hate.
| atoz wrote: | Yes!
Yes also means no!
Here is how words and their opposites work:.... |
So..
Love is less a hate than hate
Hate is less a love than love
So any love that is less a love than another love is a hate.
And vice versa
So if love equals hate
Then you tell if you love or hate something/someone, by comparing it to something else and seeing which is more of a hate and which is more of a love..
Am I right?
| atoz wrote: | Can you think of anything that is NOT a word?
Can you think of any word that is not sound?
Why is picture worth 1000 words?
Why is a pic a poor pic if it is worth only 1000 words? |
I cannot think of anything that is not a word, for we have given everything names.
I can think of a lot of words that do not have sounds, for a deaf person cannot hear them, meaning all words have no sounds. Also sign language have no sounds.
A picture is worth 1000 words because without them it would just be a blank canvus, having nothing on it, as there is no words to go with it.
A picture is poor if it is only worth 1000 words because words are the foundation of anything, meaning if it only has 1000 words, it has a very small and limited foundation. However no picture will very be worth just 1000 words, because every person in the world could say something different about it.
| atoz wrote: | And you can't love yourself until God shows you how!
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Does this mean that people who do not follow God, can never learn to love themselves?
This whole thing brings a new meaning to the saying:
'All is fair in love and war'
If both love and war mean the same, they sould be treated qually and fairly... Right?
With love and thanks
Ardy
xxx
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Ardie!
HeYA!
First of all, you HAVE to promise you or me or both to DO this: you MUST make HARD copies of this thread so that you will always have it! And of all your comments on other threads! So you have a real record that YOU really said these things and asked these questions!
Then pem all in 3 ring binders so you can enjoy yourself on lonely beaches or on lonely islands or faraway trips and rainly cold nights---curled up re-reading YOU!
I am willing to BET you anything that when you are 20, you will NOT believe that at 16 you had so much wisdom!
U will never believe at 30 that you wrote this at 16!
There are a FEW errors ONLY becasue your brain has NOT yet grown the dendrites to make the necessary connections for you! But they will be there soon!
BUT your OVERALL comments and questions are SIMPLY BRILLIANT BEYOND BELIEF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The small errors make it all even more precious to me!
The pure innocence of the Sun of your Love shines thru!
So I am sorry---but again, I have to save you up and savour your words AND re-savour the wordy wines you stir up in the Reservoir & Storehouse of my words!
ok?smile
On The Vine of the Wine of Divine Love for the bouquets of all words,smile
atoz, the confirmed hopeless word-wino, smile
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| Ardnassdac wrote: | | Well that needed reading twice to fully understand |
Atoz:
U mean that it was so nice,
you had to read it twice?smile
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It was so nice i had to read it twice, however it was confusing, so I had to read it twice... However I make it a rule to never judge anything until I've read or seen it twice.. People, books, films, and so everything you write as well. You can understand something better the second time you read it. The more you read it, the more you learn!
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With love and thanks
Ardy
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atoz
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| Ardnassdac wrote: |
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It was so nice i had to read it twice, however it was confusing, so I had to read it twice... However I make it a rule to never judge anything until I've read or seen it twice.. People, books, films, and so everything you write as well. You can understand something better the second time you read it. The more you read it, the more you learn!
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atoz: that's exactly how the brain works! It is constantly re-arranging input based on most recent input!smile
This is why when when the receiving brain is in Love and the input-info is in Love, it works perfectly, more perfectly every time more input is inputted!smile
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| atoz wrote: | Hating anyone else means that you hate YOU too as that person!
And hating you as that person means that you hate EVERYONE else as that person!
Do you follow?
Please read 1 John 4:20, Matthew 25:35-45,
James 1:8 and 2 Samuel 13:15. |
I agree with 1 John 4:20 completly! It makes perfect sense!!! Loving someone you do not know, but hating someone you know if [?is?] unfair judgement, you having met the person you are loving, and so they could be a worse person than the person you are hating. (Of course if you are relating this to God, that gets a it more complicated, because God cannot be worse than any man).
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atoz: I love that 'makes perfect sense!'
It DOES make perfect sense!
Re. God: as with wiser and dumber, God is saying that IF He ever hated himself or anyone as bad or as worse, He WOULD BE worse than any MAN who loves himself as good and bad, as better and as worse!---so he sends HUMAN beings who DO hate themselves and others as bad and as worse to REPRESENT GOD HIMSELF to see if we wd LOVE GOD as bad, as a bad God as a dumb God, as etc!
see?
That is what Matt 25:35-45 is saying JUST AS 1 John 4:
20 is saying: Inasmuch I love that hater or bad person, I love God as IF he were bad or worse.
OR, to the extent I hate that hater or worse person, I hate God AS IF He were bad or worse!
See?
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Matthew 25:35-45 is a little bit confusing.. Is it basically saying do to others what you would have done to you, even if you know they would not do it back?
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atoz: Yes! It is saying that people who HATE you not only WON'T love you back but also CAn'T love you back since they do NOT have any Love for themselves as what words they hate you as !
So when we love them, we are also loving them since we can't help but love them since we love ourselves as them!
Listen to Ray Charles' song: I can't help loving you!
And to Elvis presley's song: I can't help falling in Love with you!
God has designed an automatic system like the telephone companies!
So when we love bad people, we are NOT primarily doing THEM a favour---we are doing a FAV to ourselves---since THEY can NOT give any thing back to us and can NOT appreciate our Love just like they have never appreciated God's 100% Love all their lives!
see?
So not only are we doing right for no gain, we are doing right when there is NO hope of gain! See Luke 6:35
It's like they say in the UK:
Justice must not only be done,
Justice must also SEEM or be seen to be done!
Not only is our Love for NO gain--since we love haters,
but our Love can GET NO gain and can be seen to get NO gain and seems to get NO gain---since we love haters!
See?
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James is not in my bible, had to borrow mums, but makes complete and utter perfect sense! How can you be stable if you cant make up your mind about things.
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Atoz: there is that phrase again--but up a notch!
"Makes conplete and utter perfect sense!"
yes!
But it gets even better: James is talking about the Stability of the Love that loves the stable and unstable, that loves the made-up mind and loves the unmade up mind!
see?
God does not care if we have doubts about anything or anyone or him:
if we are doubtful because we have heard one person's complaint and have to hear the other person's story before we make up our minds!
Proverb: He who answers a matter before he hears the rest of story in Hate of the rest of the story is poor judge!
So being doubtful or unstable is ok!
Plus if we have doubts about Him or even about Love: acts 17:11-12. 1 Thess 5:21.
Or if we have doubts about him or whover or whatever---as long as we have NO doubts about what? About our Love for our doubts!
see?
What is NOT ever, NEVER ok is to doubt LOVE for all with Hate for any!
So that even when we are unstable or doubtful or shaky about anything or anyone, we still have the Stability of Love & are Doubtless and UNconfused about our Love and His for us in our OTHER instabilities or doubts or confusions!!!!! 2 Cor 12:9-10.
see?
'Doubt thou the stars are fire;
Doubt that the sun doth move;
Doubt truth to be a liar;
But never doubt I love.
Hamlet [II, 2]
There lives more faith in honest doubt,
Believe me, than in half the creeds [believed in Hate of the opposite creeds!!!.
Tennyson
Do you see how it is the same thing over and over?
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| atoz wrote: | That's the problem worldwide!
People are taught to hate words without either the teachers or especially the young learners realising that to hate any word is to hate the teacher, the learner and every one else worldwide as that word!
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Unfortunatly this is a problems that will continue for many many years, as not many people realise they are being taught wrong.. It's like a right handed person getting to 30 years old and trying to write with their left hand. It's vertually impossible.. However it can be done..
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atoz: perfect analysis and conclusion: it CAN be done!
I became 'right-handed' at twice your age!!!
And it IS easier than your example implies simply because our brains are on automatic: we don't really control it! It never sleeps! That's why God says he is not mocked!!
Why?
Because he has so set up the brain that it can't help but reflect our Love or Hate! So once we teach the brain to lvoe, really all we have to do and sit back and it just reprograms itself!!!!
In fact it IS harder only because it is so MUCH easier!
Which boils down to it being harder ONLY because we THINK so!
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| atoz wrote: | Yes! When I hate any word and say that to anyone, I am lying.
And if they hate any words and believe me, they are lying to themselves!
And when anyone who hates any words says that to me, they are lying.
And when i believe it, i am lying to who?myself! |
Q: Does God love absolutly everyone and everything.. Even those who sin, those who kill, those who rape. Does he love war? Does he love suffering?
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atoz: Absolutely! [Do you see how THAT doubt about Love is normal?smile Simply because it is being expressed in LOVE and NOT in any mis-Hate you may still have!!!!!]
God MUST love those who sin by the SIN of Hating themselves and so all others as any words since if he did NOT love them , HE wd be sinning!
see?
So the ONLY sin God hates is the sin of hating HIMSELF as any word and so also of teh sin of hating others as himself!
He won't do it!
So he can't do it!smile
That's a HIGHER standard than and so beats GW's decision to not lie: he couldn't and so won't!
God and Mark Twain and us don't sin because they & us WON'T and so CAN't!smile
NB:
The first killing is when I kill my Love for me and for all others by hating me as any word!
Therefore, murder is Hate for any word even when there is NO physcial killing, Matt 5:21-22
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is ANY physical killing in Hate.
Therefore the first murder is the murder of Love and so of God who is Love!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The first rape is when I rape my Love for me and all others by raping my my mind with Hatred for myself as any word!!!!!
Therefore, rape is ANY hatred of myself or others as any word even when there is NO physical rape,
and is any consensual sex done in Hate for NO sex or for whatever or for whoever: more married women get raped than anyone else: it is called legal rape! And etc.
The first and ever continuing war is between Love for all words and Hate for any word:
Love wins
but Hate is always there with the potential for misuse by us hating any words!
Romans 7:23. 2 Cor 10:3-5. James 4:1-3.
Love wars in Love with itself and with all other words: Love wins even when it fights with itself!!!!! Rev 19:11
Hate wars in Hate with itself and with all other words.
Hate loses even when it does NOT fight itself and loses double when it fights itself!
Therefore, any wrong psycho-spiritu-mental-emotional war
is any Hatred for any word before any physical fighting with words or fists begins,
is any Hatred even in peace: called cold-war!,
and
is any physical war in hate of enemies!
And etc.
So All peace and all war and all of everything in Love is fair.
And all peace and all war and all of et in Hate is unfair.
Suffering is no big thing when we love it!
Love halves suffering and double pleasure!
The real bad thing is the usual thing:
The Suffering of Hate for suffering!
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| atoz wrote: | Yes!!
That's is why and how we are to lvoe and can love haters!!!!!
But when we love all words,
the first sin is to HATE any word!
So that sin of hating any word, including the sin of hating the word 'hate,' is THE first sin!!!!!
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If love means hate, then to hate someone is to love them, and to love them is to hate them. Meaning you could say to someone 'I hate you' and it would mean the same as saying 'I love you' right? So then you hate everything, AND love everything. I suppose it's the one that you feel most which over rides the other? So if you love more than you hate, then overall you love not hate.
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atoz; this is such a great comment and questions!
sigh
See Malachi 1:1-3. Luke 14:26. And expecially Rom 4:17.
Because we are abs. sure of Love for all, then even when we or God say that we hate anyone, we KNOW that is a fake or lie or joke!
see?
Plus, think of reality and image/perception:
When God puts us first and puts Himself last: John 13: it ONLY SEEMS as if, it only LOOKS like if God loves us MORE than he loves himself OR that he hates himself!
see?
So guess what?
God cd actually SAY that he hates himself, and we wd still know he is kidding!
Well guess what?
He SAYS so when He puts Himself first and us last which is when it LOOK like IF, when it SEEMS AS IF he loves himself and that he HATES US!
See?
So we KNOW he is kidding!smile--- since to hate us he wd have to hate himself!!!!!!!!! and if he hated himself, how in heaven cd he get us to love who he hated: himself!?see? Plus that wd be a sin! etc and etc.
So when you say that we love et and hate et, and it is what we feel more and etc.
you are doing or better, your brain is doing the same thing for you without YOU even knowing youa re doing it or what youa re doing!see?: you are also calling Love AS IT LOOKS, AS IF IT WERE Hate!!!!!!
So your statement IS right!
But NOT right as you THINK it is right!
see?
Another example:
When I am full and u offer me icecream I love, I will refuse it IN LOVE
IF I HATED that same icecream, and u offered me some, I will ALSO refuse it---in Hate!
But if someone who hated icecream were looking on from afar and did NOT know that I lvoed the icecream I refused, he wd HAVE to conclude that I HATED it since i did the SAME action when i refused it IN LOVE and as when I refused it in Hate!
see?
So That is what God does: He calls it AS IF, AS THO it is so because it LOOKS SO or SOUNDS so or etc when it is NOT so just because it does sound or look or seem so!smile
see?
Plus, I am sure you heard your gfs or mom or her friends say 'I hate you' whe they meant by demeanor and etc the exact opposite and LOVED the person they said 'I hate you' to!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well God does the same thing!
That's why we also have ourselves as liars---so we can love God when he lying in Love and does NOT mean that he hates us even when he SAYS so!
see?
Now go back and read 1 John 4:20 and you'll see that else God is saying right thurr!smile
See also Proverbs 6:16-19: in every case in which God says that he hates WHOever, God means he hates ONLY the sin of hating in the person whose feet are swift to shed innocent blood!
Guess who killed his innocent son and told abraham to kill his innocent son?
see the trick?
If we hate whoever, we hate ----God!
God loves to hide himself IN and AS sinners and calling himself as a HATER when NOTHING cd be further from the truth!!!!!!!!!!
God lvoes to play hide and seek as the Big Kid in the Sky!
matth 18:1-3.
But Malicious He is Not!
That's the title of a book on EINSTEIN!
Google it!
Sigh
This makes perfect utter awesome sense!smile
So with out Love of all words, NO one can understand the Bible nor life!!!!!!
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| atoz wrote: | Yes!
Yes also means no!
Here is how words and their opposites work:.... |
So..
Love is less a hate than hate
Hate is less a love than love
So any love that is less a love than another love is a hate.
And vice versa
So if love equals hate
Then you tell if you love or hate something/someone, by comparing it to something else and seeing which is more of a hate and which is more of a love..
Am I right?
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atoz: that is so excellent an analysis and comment and q again!
Yes, Right!!
But refer to previous question above , plus add in these details---again:
The word for Hate used in Luke 14:16 is 'miseo' which means--wait for it: to love less by comparion in Love!!!!!!!!!!!
So for example by cursing Esau in Love and blesing Jacob in Love,
GOd LOOKED like the normal sinner who curses IN HATE and blesses in Love!
See?
So comparing himself to that sinner, AND based on HOW it actually looks or sounds when anyone curses anyone, expecially when God curses anyone,
God calls himself as HATING Esau when he LOVED him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now please read the whole of psalms 50 especially from verse 17 to end!!!!
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| atoz wrote: | Can you think of anything that is NOT a word?
Can you think of any word that is not sound?
Why is picture worth 1000 words?
Why is a pic a poor pic if it is worth only 1000 words?
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I cannot think of anything that is not a word, for we have given everything names.
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atoz: story done!
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I can think of a lot of words that do not have sounds, for a deaf person cannot hear them, meaning all words have no sounds. Also sign language have no sounds.
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atoz: Good! and Good example!
But guess what?
What is the word you ALREADY know for NO SOUND?
In fact there are a few such words!!!!!
What's the SOUND for NO sound?smile
Think about that song by Simon & Garfunkel:
The Sounds of -------!
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A picture is worth 1000 words because without them it would just be a blank canvus, having nothing on it, as there is no words to go with it.
A picture is poor if it is only worth 1000 words because words are the foundation of anything, meaning if it only has 1000 words, it has a very small and limited foundation. However no picture will very be worth just 1000 words, because every person in the world could say something different about it.
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atoz; great answer!
It's gets better!
Any pic is worth AN INFINITY OF WORDS since each image in the pic is WORDED, and each word represents an infinity of words!
So when you multiply that Infinity of words by YOUR 'every person in the world' times the infinite number of things each of them can see in each word at different times,
we have
AT LEAST A GOOGOOL QUADRUPLE INFINITY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!smile
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| atoz wrote: | And you can't love yourself until God shows you how!
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Does this mean that people who do not follow God, can never learn to love themselves?
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atoz: U said it!
Can never elarn to love themselves all the way 100% at all times!
But since God is Love, all Love in the world DID come from God, and that is why and how there IS Love in the world!!!!!
So?
Any person who is loving IS following God by whatever name: vishnu, osiris, satan, god, Allah, etc.
see?
We do NOT foolow God by following God:
we follow God by Love!
So any person in Love or who has Love in them IS following God wheter they realise it or not!
Even atheists or whover how hates God: if they also LOVE their dog or wife or kids and selves, theya re follwing God!
See God's trick--again?smi;e
| Ardnassdac wrote: |
This whole thing brings a new meaning to the saying:
'All is fair in love and war'
If both love and war mean the same, they sould be treated qually and fairly... Right?
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atoz: yes!
Peace is war by other means!
War is peace by other means!
War is peace when fought in the constant and ever-stable and gyroscopic peaceful attitude of Love for enemies!
Peace is doubly peaceful--peacefully peacful:Isa 26:3 when waged in Love!smile
War is still peaceful when fought in Love of opposites or enemies!
Peace in Hate of enemies is hot peace or uneasy peace or coldwar.
War in Hate is double war, warring war---with NO REAL peace in the end ---since in that peace people still hate each other as much as they did BEFORE the war! So? So another war, more war is inevitable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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With love and thanks
Ardy
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with all Love and R,
atoz
Ps: wd u like to e-invite others to chime in?
I recommend Wilber and Diane and LT and Bitterlily for starters if you agree!
If not, is still cool!
I only say that because i would SOOOOOOOOOOO want to chime in if I were on the outside of this!smile |
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Ardnassdac
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Heya Atoz
I am so sorry I aint been on here in forever!!!!
I have been really busy, coursework, exams and loads more going on... Hopfully *touch wood* I'm back now
So where to begin
Atoz: So when we love bad people, we are NOT primarily doing THEM a favour---we are doing a FAV to ourselves---since THEY can NOT give any thing back to us and can NOT appreciate our Love just like they have never appreciated God's 100% Love all their lives!
Really, you're saying that you should love everyone, because at the end of the day, the only person your effecting is yourself. If you hate someone, it dosn't really bother them, and if you love them, they cannot appreciate it, because they do not love themselves, or you. If more people thought like that, then the world would be a better place. I think that a lot of people can be quite selfish, but this helps selfish people, because it's all about you, not the other person
Atoz: there is that phrase again--but up a notch!
"Makes complete and utter perfect sense!"
Really, even if you dont believe in God or anything like that, the bible makes complete and utter perfect sense!. Everyone reads and interperates the bible differently. And I think that was how it was written to be. So it touched everyone in a different way. Even if you dont believe in the main idea behind the bible, you have to believe the words on the page, especially as most of them are about, and help with everyday life.
Atoz: God MUST love those who sin by the SIN of Hating themselves and so all others as any words since if he did NOT love them , HE wd be sinning!
Well the bible is mainly about forgivness and repenting your sins.. Everyone sins at some point. And everybody makes mistakes.. I dont think it matters what sins you commit, or what mistakes you make. It's more, how you overcome them, and repent
Well I best get on with my English coursework lol..
I'd love to invite others..
That sounds great
Anyone you want
I'd love some other opinnions..
There has to be someone here who dosn't agree with us right??
Love
Ardy
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