HOLY SPIRIT NOT GIVEN YET?

trettep · Lion Joined: 24 Nov 2005 Posts: 910

Hekkler, here it is in the LXX:

Isaiah 63:11 (based on LXX)

And he remembered aionion days; the bringing up from the land the shepherd of the sheep. Where is the one putting the Holy Spirit in them?

"in" there is translated from Strong's 1722.

Paul

HeKkLeR · Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 4:06 am Post subject:

JB · Grizzly Bear Joined: 16 Feb 2008 Posts: 726

The Scriptures speak for themselves.

Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

HeKkLer,
I will pray for you.

HeKkLeR · Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 4:21 am Post subject:

Hey trettep,
Good deal. Thanks for sticking to your guns, and to God's Word. Very Happy

I have known that JB's argument was demented for a long while. Many years, actually. Wink

While I see no moral reason to discuss the "Topic" of this thread any longer with those who think they know better than God's Word... it was a pleasure witnessing those who believe in God, more than themselves, lay the smack-down on the mockers of God's Word. Laughing

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HeKkLeR · Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 4:31 am Post subject:

JB,
I thank you for all of your absurd comments directed towards me. Very Happy

Matthew 5:11-12

Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12 Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

Yes! Thank you Lord! Very Happy

Amen.
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JB · Grizzly Bear Joined: 16 Feb 2008 Posts: 726

HeKkLer,
Are you sure this is direction that we should go? God doesn't bless this. You and I disagree on this point and that is that. Obviously we have taken different approaches to interpretation, but that doesn't change my relationship with the King and I hope that it doesn't affect yours.

God bless and keep seeking the King

HeKkLeR · Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 5:52 am Post subject:

Yehushuan · Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 5:35 pm Post subject:

Yehushuan · Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 5:52 pm Post subject:

HeKkLeR, I shall now call you Didymus-TSS, as you have risen to his stature, and are worthy to wear his ruby slippers.

Yehu
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trettep · Lion Joined: 24 Nov 2005 Posts: 910

JB · Grizzly Bear Joined: 16 Feb 2008 Posts: 726

TreTTep,
You might want to read that again. Isaiah 63:11.

First it doesn't say them it says him.
Second, you need to identify who it is that the writer of this Prophecy is talking about. Look at verse 9 and think about it. who was the afflicted.

Doesn't Isiah 60-63 talk about our Savior?

Then:
What did it mean the angel of his presence?

Does any one have some Excedrin my head ache is getting worse?

I have concluded that you just aren't studying with an open heart.

Trettep, you have no clue. You are more bent on proving some one wrong than you are about learning the truth. The scriptures are given for reproof and correction. For training and learning. maybe you should expend some energy praying and asking God to give you enlightenment on some of these texts instead of saying Hekkler, I found it.

trettep · Lion Joined: 24 Nov 2005 Posts: 910

By the way here is a translation of the LXX which is most widely used:

The Apostles' Bible

A Modern English Translation of the Greek Septuagint
Translated by Sir Lancelot C.L. Brenton

Isa 63:11 Then he remembered the days of old, saying, Where is He that brought up from the sea the shepherd of the sheep? Where is He that put His Holy Spirit in them?

JB · Grizzly Bear Joined: 16 Feb 2008 Posts: 726

Trettep,
Check out the Hebrew rendering for (in) this text. Number 7130
Transliteration:
qereb {keh'-reb}
Word Origin:
from 7126
TWOT:
2066a
Part of Speech:
noun masculine
Usage in the KJV:
among 76, midst 73, within 24, inwards 22, in 6, misc 26

Total: 227
Definition:

1. midst, among, middle
1. inward part
1. physical sense
2. as seat of thought and emotion
3. as faculty of thought and emotion
2. in the midst, among, from among (of a number of persons)

(Isaiah 63:11) NASV Then His people remembered the days of old, of Moses. Where is He who brought them up out of the sea with the shepherds of His flock? Where is He who put His Holy
Spirit in the midst of them,

(RSV) Isaiah 63:11Then he remembered the days of old, of Moses his servant. Where is he who brought up out of the sea the shepherds of his flock? Where is he who put in the midst of them his holy Spirit,

Isaiah 63:11(NIV) (Then his people recalled the days of old, the days of Moses and his people where is he who brought them through the sea, with the shepherd of his flock? Where is he who set his Holy Spirit among them,

TDNT - Theological Dictionary of the New Testament
TWOT - Theological Word Book of the Old Testament

Work on that for starters.

JonMarie · Bear Cub Joined: 18 Feb 2008 Posts: 608 Location: Pa.

Matthew:23Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

24Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.

25Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.

Is it possible for someone, in whom the Holy Spirit abides, to claim that the Holy Spirit was not given yet in the old testament?

JB · Grizzly Bear Joined: 16 Feb 2008 Posts: 726

JonMarie,
The Holy Spirit was given in the Old Testament. The Holy Spirit came upon people through out the Old Testament. Not in them.
And yes it is possible for someone to say that the Holy Spirit wasn't given in the Old Testament and be saved. It all depends upon where they are in their walk with Christ. Given and indwell are two very different terms.