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JimD
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JB, So your long answer to my question is, no 
You, Plontius and Yehu are going to have the final say
Our dominering personalities are going to keep us from studying and learning together
Satan must just love it
What a shame, we were already contemplating the wonderful things we could share with each other
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Yehushuan
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| JimD wrote: | | Our domineering (sic) personalities are going to keep us from studying and learning together |
What studying and learning?
This whole thread has turned into y'all hurling Bible verses dredged up by your search engines at JB, whilst I swat them away by using the LXX as trettep ducks and runs for cover.
Both sides are rather entrenched at this point, but y'all can keep hurling if so desired. I'd be delighted if you could provide one OT verse that gives an example of the Holy Spirit being IN a person (one that cannot be otherwise interpreted or shown to be translated differently).
Yehu
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trettep
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| Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 8:58 am Post subject: |
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Anyone know whose "spirit" this is referring to in this verse?:
KJV
Pro 1:23 Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you.
It isn't capitilized.
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trettep
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Can someone tell me why there would be rebuke by the Lord if someone can't have the Spirit indwell them before Pentacost?:
Isa 30:1 Woe to the rebellious children, saith the LORD, that take counsel, but not of me; and that cover with a covering, but not of my spirit, that they may add sin to sin:
I believe that the word "spirit" there is referring to the Lord's Spirit yet it isn't capitlized.
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trettep
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| Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 9:23 am Post subject: |
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I'm already clear on this issue but this one is very clear to me:
Isa 63:11 Then he remembered the days of old, Moses, and his people, saying, Where is he that brought them up out of the sea with the shepherd of his flock? where is he that put his holy Spirit within him?
The LXX even uses 1722.
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pato
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| Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 9:35 am Post subject: Holy Spirit |
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Weren't baby John, Elizabeth his mother and Zacharius his father all filled with the Holy Spirit before Pentecost?
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HeKkLeR
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No matter what ways you try to turn the bible to support your arguments by your great selection of different words than what the Bible does say:
Ephesians 5:6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God's wrath comes on those who are disobedient.
and...
2 Timothy 2:13-14 13if we are faithless,
he will remain faithful,
for he cannot disown himself.
14 Keep reminding them of these things. Warn them before God against quarreling about words; it is of no value, and only ruins those who listen. 15 Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth.
...and...
1 Timothy 6:3-4 3 If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching, 4 he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions
| Yehu wrote: | I'd be delighted if you could provide one OT verse that gives an example of the Holy Spirit being IN a person (one that cannot be otherwise interpreted or shown to be translated differently).
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You mean one verse that you cannot change around?  No thanks. Why take the time to show you exact verses which say that the Holy Spirit was in the prophets of God, just for you to play musical words with the scripture verses?
That is called "perversion" of God's word. 
If anyone wants to discuss what God's Word does say, then come at me. 
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JB
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| Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 10:41 am Post subject: |
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HeKkLer,
Yehu asked for just one verse, that you could provide to support your argument. Your response is, "you mean one verse you cannot change around". If you have the truth will it not prevail? If he can change it, then why can't you change it back?
Is it possible that you can't change it back because you don't have a reasonable argument. Present it. Prove my position wrong.
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trettep
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| Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 12:37 pm Post subject: Re: Holy Spirit |
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| pato wrote: | | Weren't baby John, Elizabeth his mother and Zacharius his father all filled with the Holy Spirit before Pentecost? |
Yes they were.
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trettep
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Hekkler, your comments have strengthened my beliefs that the Holy Spirit was indeed in God's Prophets that administered before the coming of Jesus the Savior. I value that you see God as giving us ministers and priests moved by His very own Spirit dwelling within them to accomplish His service as taught in His Holy Word.
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Yehushuan
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| HeKkLeR wrote: | | You mean one verse that you cannot change around? No thanks. Why take the time to show you exact verses which say that the Holy Spirit was in the prophets of God, just for you to play musical words with the scripture verses? |
The perversion, my fine friend, is in the rather poor KJV translation. My translations of the LXX are hardly musical words. Any Greek scholar of merit would know this, so if you just wish to whine (a well honed reaction of yours), I'll merely render the F you deserve. Look at how trettep came at me in the past regarding such. His current silence just supports the fact that none of the previously posited verses use the word “in”. (But I see he’s hurled some more.)
| HeKkLeR wrote: | | If anyone wants to discuss what God's Word does say, then come at me. |
You have no clue as to what God’s Word DOES say, only the pitiful English translations thereof.
Yehushuan
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Yehushuan
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And BINGO, true to form, trettep, in finding someone who agrees with him, delivers the coup de grace by informing everyone he now becomes convinced NOT by actual scripture, but by the person who agreed with him to begin with.
I have found the final resting place of sentience - 
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Yehushuan
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| trettep wrote: | | The LXX even uses 1722. |
And I notice you failed to provide a translation. (Can’t do it can you?)
Just how do you get from "in the midst" (or among) to mean "within" (or inside)?
Yet one cannot give you an F, since .....we have found ourselves unable to grant you admission as we receive numerous qualified applications to our institute of higher learning. (And you ain't be one of them.)
Isa 63:11 JPS Then His people remembered the days of old, the days of Moses: 'Where is He that brought them up out of the sea with the shepherds of His flock? Where is He that put His holy spirit in the midst of them?
Isa 63:11 RV Then he remembered the days of old, Moses, and his people, saying, Where is he that brought them up out of the sea with the shepherds of his flock? where is he that put his holy spirit in the midst of them?
Isa 63:11 YLT And He remembereth the days of old, Moses--his people. Where is He who is bringing them up from the sea, The shepherd of his flock? Where is He who is putting in its midst His Holy Spirit?
Mein Gott  I finally understand, you worked for the Nixon Administration in figuring out how to call Vietnam a victory.
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HeKkLeR
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Now now, kids.
Do not get too ugly. God does not like ugly. 
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JB
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HeKkLer,
You are more interested in being right than you are learning about your King. That is so sad.
Trettep,
You are being led around on a little string, like a puppy going for his shots. You could break the string if you wanted to but I am not sure that you know any better.
The truth of the matter is,the truth has been presented in clarity and yet you do not to see. maybe you are still walking in darkness.
Debate is a good thin only when all parties learn and grow. I just don't see that happening here.
JimD, Keep seeking the King. |
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