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Yehushuan
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Joined: 30 Mar 2006
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 Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 9:57 am Post subject: |
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Niall,
My abject apologies. I truly wasn’t trying to laugh at you – it just came out that way. As chief translator for the Y’shuan Fellowship I am aware of the technical definition of the Greek word ‘gnosis,’ yet the religious movement that has been described by the moniker “Gnostic” seems to have very little to do with what I’ve read from your posts.
Labels are both used and are useful by the common man at large. Is one ever “truly” a Democrat or Republican? An “American”? A “musician”? Or “scientist”? Is even the Pope "Catholic"? Possibly not, but we use such labels or we could know nothing about anything. Communication lies in ensuring that one’s audience understands what one says. Labels are not used for oneself, but for others.
| Niall wrote: | | Its up to you whether you listen or not. |
No it isn’t. The decision whether to listen or not is based upon the author’s credibility. Whether I listen to you or not is based upon the words you write. Or perhaps you would at least grant it is a combination of both.
Should I take the time to read your words when you yourself say, “One day maybe I'll discuss the words”? If it’s not important enough for you to adequately frame the concepts you discuss, then far be it important enough for me to waste my time in listening.
| Niall wrote: | | Many of us are here for entertainment value, including yourself,myself |
You do presuppose, and incorrectly at that. I receive little if ANY entertainment value from the time I invest here. Were that my motive, I’d most certainly be elsewhere and fast.
| Niall wrote: | | When the day is said and done, and all discourse has followed its course here, has your beliefs changed any? |
Yes. trettep has convinced me that Romans 9:17 reads, “for this purpose I woke you up…” (not a small feat by far).
| Niall wrote: | | I know what faith is. |
Then by all means, describe to me the five different definitions used today among men.
| Niall wrote: | | So you don't believe in doing the best you can? That's all you can do. After that its no longer in your control. |
You are deluded to think you have any control. Free your mind.
| Niall wrote: | | Actually it does in some translated versions. |
Your trust in “some translated versions” is rather misplaced.
| Niall wrote: | | I look inward for the Christ. It is in all of us. |
Yet not according the texts by which the common of humanity knows regarding “Christ”. Again, you may find some solace in the mysticism of having your own dictionary and secret meanings of magical words, but to the rest of us it is just more noise blowing around.
| Niall wrote: | | I never took greek but would appreciate you pointing me to a decent translation as well as a good Hebrew translation of the OT. |
The first is easy, but BUY ONE OF THESE (Link) before they disappear. Better yet, see if you can find a used KJV instead of NASB (or even an NRSV) version. Alas they are out of print. (And ignore the NIV as much as possible.)
With regards to the Dead Testament, I usually just read the Young’s Literal, and if I need to dig deeper, I go read the LXX (a Greek translation of the OT used during the time of Jesus).
The OT was written for the people of that time and was adjusted to fit their frame of reference (lest any communication between God and primitive man be nearly impossible).
| Niall wrote: | | You're an interesting fellow Yehu. Enjoy your conversations. |
Well thank you kindly, (but you have no idea…).
Yehu
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Niall
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Joined: 28 Mar 2008
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Location: Columbia SC
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| Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 4:34 am Post subject: |
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| Yehushuan wrote: | Niall,
My abject apologies. I truly wasn’t trying to laugh at you – it just came out that way. As chief translator for the Y’shuan Fellowship I am aware of the technical definition of the Greek word ‘gnosis,’ yet the religious movement that has been described by the moniker “Gnostic” seems to have very little to do with what I’ve read from your posts.
Labels are both used and are useful by the common man at large. Is one ever “truly” a Democrat or Republican? An “American”? A “musician”? Or “scientist”? Is even the Pope "Catholic"? Possibly not, but we use such labels or we could know nothing about anything. Communication lies in ensuring that one’s audience understands what one says. Labels are not used for oneself, but for others. |
Hey, I can handle a good laugh. And you're right...traditional gnostic is not my alignment. I think we've cleared it up to somewhat of what my position is.
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No it isn’t. The decision whether to listen or not is based upon the author’s credibility. Whether I listen to you or not is based upon the words you write. Or perhaps you would at least grant it is a combination of both.
Should I take the time to read your words when you yourself say, “One day maybe I'll discuss the words”? If it’s not important enough for you to adequately frame the concepts you discuss, then far be it important enough for me to waste my time in listening. |
Fair enough. I just do not have the time to discuss it in detail. Its been a life long journey and to put that in a simple message is not adequate. Nor do i have the writing skills to explain the emotions that go along with it.
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You do presuppose, and incorrectly at that. I receive little if ANY entertainment value from the time I invest here. Were that my motive, I’d most certainly be elsewhere and fast. |
Ok I stand corrected. What is your motivation for participating here? BTw entertainment carries a broad meaning. If you enjoy being here, debating, then you do get entertainment value from it.
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Yes. trettep has convinced me that Romans 9:17 reads, “for this purpose I woke you up…” (not a small feat by far). |
I still find it hard to believe that any of your views or beliefs are changed here.
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Then by all means, describe to me the five different definitions used today among men. |
My point is clear on this. You know what blind faith means....
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You are deluded to think you have any control. Free your mind. |
Re-read what I stated. I'm not deluded in any way that I have control. Quite the opposite. But I don't think anyone guides my actions but myself. Its up to me to do the best that I can.
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Your trust in “some translated versions” is rather misplaced. |
I'm always looking for different translations.
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Yet not according the texts by which the common of humanity knows regarding “Christ”. Again, you may find some solace in the mysticism of having your own dictionary and secret meanings of magical words, but to the rest of us it is just more noise blowing around. |
Like Einstein's theory of relativity, it depends on the perception of the viewer. I have no secret meanings or magical words. I share a view point of what the Christ is with many others. What makes sense to me may not make sense to you, as what you and others say here may not make sense to me. Again it goes back to the viewer's perception.
I'm not the only blowing a little noise around here lol.
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Well thank you kindly, (but you have no idea…). Yehu |
Not that I agree with you lol, I just find your style interesting. Thanks for the links!
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JB
Lion King
Joined: 16 Feb 2008
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| Even though I didn't read all the posts, I wonder if this was a clip cut out of saving the Savior? |
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Yehushuan
King Kong
Joined: 30 Mar 2006
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Location: Charismatic
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| Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 6:08 am Post subject: |
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| Niall wrote: | | What is your motivation for participating here? |
Well I don’t enjoy it. The multitudinous heresies that abound and reading posts from the near circus performance of people who cannot rub two sticks together to get a spark of an idea becomes rather depressing. So at the end, we are left with a very good question. One on which God has decided to remain silent. (Perhaps I merely provide the entertainment value.)
| Niall wrote: | | I still find it hard to believe that any of your views or beliefs are changed here. |
Well I will admit to having helped change the beliefs of others. But such is a rarity because belief (or should I say faith?) is a matter of the spirit of a man, not something of the soul's mind that can be reasoned into change.
| Niall wrote: | | You know what blind faith means.... |
Yes, the ultimate form of Kierkegaardian faith, a concept which is non-existent in the New Testament.
| Niall wrote: | | I have no secret meanings or magical words. |
The Gnostics reveled in such. But at least we now know you’re not one.
You’re welcome,
Yehu
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Yehushuan
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| Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 6:09 am Post subject: |
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JB,
Anyone with the name Abubakr Ben Ishmael Salahuddin who was “raised as a staunch Roman Catholic for twelve years of his life” has more need of psychiatric help than even Bill Gates could possibly afford.
Yehu
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