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Silver Surfer
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Joined: 12 Jul 2003
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Location: Hayden, Idaho, USA
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| pastor2022 wrote: | | [The "Word of God" in John 1 referring to Jesus and the "Word of God" referring to the Bible are not the same. You need to do a bit of Greek/Biblical study I'm afraid. God transcends the written word. |
And just how does anyone possible separate God from His word ?
To me that would be like separating man's heart and lungs, from the man...and, the man is still alive ? |
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Silver Surfer
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Location: Hayden, Idaho, USA
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| Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 8:22 am Post subject: |
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| pastor2022 wrote: | | The "Word of God" in John 1 referring to Jesus and the "Word of God" referring to the Bible are not the same. You need to do a bit of Greek/Biblical study I'm afraid. God transcends the written word. |
Man is saved by the word of God, not God Himself.
#1.) 1 Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
#2.) James 1:21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls. |
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P1234567890
Emperor of the Universe
Joined: 11 Mar 2006
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Location: Toronto, Canada
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| Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 8:56 am Post subject: |
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| This is the atheism forum. If you think that quoting scripture in here is going to make your point, then you're barking up the wrong tree. |
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Silver Surfer
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| P1234567890 wrote: | | This is the atheism forum. If you think that quoting scripture in here is going to make your point, then you're barking up the wrong tree. |
You may be right.
After all, who would want to gain knowledge from a God who knows everything, both past, present, and future ?
It is more logical to follow man's finite knowledge of things he knows nothing about, right ? |
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 9:16 am Post subject: |
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After all, who would want to gain knowledge from a God who knows everything, both past, present, and future ? |
The problem is that there are a lot of people who don't believe that said God exists and that He has that knowledge.
I'll tell you what: Pray to God for a proof of the Goldbach conjecture or for a proof that P != NP, and post the proof here. That will make a believer out of me. |
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PrysdieHeer!
Big Pit Bull
Joined: 30 Dec 2007
Posts: 392
Location: South Africa; Gardens of Pretoria
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 10:08 am Post subject: |
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| P1234567890 wrote: | | Silver Surfer wrote: |
After all, who would want to gain knowledge from a God who knows everything, both past, present, and future ? |
The problem is that there are a lot of people who don't believe that said God exists and that He has that knowledge.
I'll tell you what: Pray to God for a proof of the Goldbach conjecture or for a proof that P != NP, and post the proof here. That will make a believer out of me. |
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What do you mean?
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Prys die Heer! |
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sithum
Not So Newbie
Joined: 19 Aug 2008
Posts: 6
Location: Niagara-On-The-Lake, Canada, Ontario
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 2:04 pm Post subject: more on goldbach, prayer and atheism |
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The problem with Goldbach's conjecture is that it involves addition. Statements involving addition are so hard to prove in general. If one could possibly map the addition statement to a general multiplication statement and then prove the new statement a proof may be more easily found.
For those of you who don't know Goldbach's conjecture it states that (as far as I remember anyhow): for every even integer N >= 4 there exists two primes which sum to that number.
i.e. we can see that for 10 we have the primes 7 and 3 (7+3 = 10)
the problem of course is to show it for all even integers greater than or equal to 4.
Of course the difficulty with the statement is that it must be proven in general for all even numbers... it is generally difficult to generalize a proof when one is dealing with addition.
In any case, if you want to pray for it, why not..
I'm an atheist, and I do deep breathing instead for relaxation.
About atheism: it is the absence of beleif in G-d. So, a Christian Atheist may be one who:
1) is interested in adopting attitudes similar to those of Jesus and
2) follows the ten commandments [including being kind to your neighbour] and
3) draws inspiration from the bible and
4) is open minded with respect to christian statements regarding spirituality...and
5) does not beleive in G-d.
does this make sense?
of course a Christian Atheist could replace the word G-d with 'love' and/or 'wisdom' and/or a 'love of learning' and/or 'the universe'...
Would Jesus himself have elected atheism if it was actually an option back when he was alive? He certainly seemed to detest the religious establishments of his day.. I wonder what he'd say about the current state of religious institutions and their role in society.. in any case, I would like to speculate on whether Jesus would have chosen atheism instead of theism to base his beleifs on if the 'atheist' option had been available at the time...
let me know,
thanks,
Dave. |
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