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PrysdieHeer!
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Joined: 30 Dec 2007
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Location: South Africa; Gardens of Pretoria
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 Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 6:43 pm Post subject: Global Warming |
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I don`t think God is pleased that we pollute the air this much, South-Africans are not so guilty, we actually share electricity, but we still pollute the air. I think the Americans are the most guilty, or maybe it`s India? Do not know! how ever I think we should discuss solutions.
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 7:18 pm Post subject: Re: Global Warming |
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| PrysdieHeer! wrote: | I don`t think God is pleased that we pollute the air this much, South-Africans are not so guilty, we actually share electricity, but we still pollute the air. I think the Americans are the most guilty, or maybe it`s India? Do not know! how ever I think we should discuss solutions.
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Wow, I think that this might be the first time that I've ever agreed with one of your posts, and I totally agree with this one!
To answer your question, I think I read a statistic that China is now the largest producer of greenhouse gases on the planet. The U.S. is in second place, but India can't be that far behind.
In terms of solutions, the obvious solution is that we need to switch from fossil fuels to some form of energy which doesn't produce greenhouse gases. Solar or wind or tidal are a good idea. Electric cars are a good idea.
We should put more research money into fusion power. Another good idea is the space elevator. If we can build one, then we can start building nuclear power plants like crazy to replace all of the coal ones, and then send our radioactive waste into the sun.
Maybe some bioengineered bacteria or plant which removes CO2 more efficiently than anything mother nature has ever come up with would be a good idea.
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golfjack
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| Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 2:00 pm Post subject: reply |
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I don't believe in manmade global warming. Why don't we worship the Creator rather than the creation.
Yes, we do have all kinds of distress all over the World. Why? The answer is simple. Just study Matt. 24:4-8.
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45degreeN
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| Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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Gaia worship has very little to do with the subject Golfjack.
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Pondering
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| Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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| 45degreeN wrote: | | Gaia worship has very little to do with the subject Golfjack. |
actually, it has a huge "to do" with the subject...look at the structure...listen to the language used...it's very "religious" (as in "adherance to a set of beliefs or behaviors in the absence of actual evidence of fact or reality)...so, yes...this is largely driven by a) folks looking to make a buck by b) emotional manipulation of the "Earth first"-ers
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45degreeN
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Well Pondering all those scientific types out there are hardly Gaia worshipers, and you must admit that there are scientific types who hold to the warming scenario (regardless of your attitude about them.)
The freaks (gaia worshipers) might be at the scene but they aren't the force behind the movement, they do enjoy it though, since it follows their pagan ideology.
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Pondering
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No, I'd say that those scientists are in two camps:
Camp 1: scientifically reported on observed events and proposed hypothesis to explain those events. Human caused CO2 increases is one hypothesis...but it's not the only one. The actual scientific debate continues here.
Camp 2: entered into the socio-political environment for power, money, and prestige. These are the ones that signed onto the "debate is over" crowd.
Can't get the link to work...but do a google search for:
Dr. Arthur Robinson (OISM)
Names of over 30,000 Scientists Rejecting Global Warming Hypothesis
Summary:
Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine (OISM)
Who: Dr. Arthur Robinson of the OISM
What: release of names in OISM "Petition Project"
When: 10 AM, Monday May 19
Where: Holeman Lounge at the National Press Club, 529 14th St., NW, Washington, DC
Why: the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine (OISM) will announce that more than 31,000 scientists have signed a petition rejecting claims of human-caused global warming. The purpose of OISM's Petition Project is to demonstrate that the claim of "settled science" and an overwhelming "consensus" in favor of the hypothesis of human-caused global warming and consequent climate damage is wrong. No such consensus or settled science exists. As indicated by the petition text and signatory list, a very large number of American scientists reject this hypothesis.
But then I'm sure,they've all been bought off by the "big oil" companies 
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45degreeN
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| Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 6:45 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine (OISM) describes itself as "a small research institute" that studies "biochemistry, diagnostic medicine, nutrition, preventive medicine and the molecular biology of aging." It is headed by Arthur B. Robinson, an eccentric scientist who has a long history of controversial entanglements with figures on the fringe of accepted research. OISM also markets a home-schooling kit for "parents concerned about socialism in the public schools" and publishes books on how to survive nuclear war.
The OISM is located on a farm about 7 miles from the town of Cave Junction, Oregon (population 1,126). Located slightly east of Siskiyou National Forest, Cave Junction is one of several small towns nestled in the Illinois Valley, whose total population is 15,000. Best known as a gateway to the Oregon Caves National Monument, it is described by its chamber of commerce as "the commercial, service, and cultural center for a rural community of small farms, woodlots, crafts people, and families just living apart from the crowds. ... It's a place where going into the market can take time because people talk in the aisles and at the checkstands. Life is slower, so you have to be patient. You'll be part of that slowness because it is enjoyable to be neighborly." The main visitors are tourists who come to hike, backpack and fish in the area's many rivers and streams. Cave Junction is the sort of out-of-the-way location you might seek out if you were hoping to survive a nuclear war, but it is not known as a center for scientific and medical research. The OISM would be equally obscure itself, except for the role it played in 1998 in circulating a deceptive "scientists' petition" on global warming in collaboration with Frederick Seitz, a retired former president of the National Academy of Sciences.
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This (the OISM) is not a reliable source for factual information on global warming so Pondering try again with better information. This is a "fringe group" with an ax to grind and little to no respect amongst the scientific community.
www.sourcewatch.org/
checkout the OISM at this web site
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Ana
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| Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 7:57 am Post subject: |
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| Pondering wrote: | | 45degreeN wrote: | | Gaia worship has very little to do with the subject Golfjack. |
actually, it has a huge "to do" with the subject...look at the structure...listen to the language used...it's very "religious" (as in "adherance to a set of beliefs or behaviors in the absence of actual evidence of fact or reality)...so, yes...this is largely driven by a) folks looking to make a buck by b) emotional manipulation of the "Earth first"-ers |
I like your list of qualities of religion - folks looking to make a buck by emotional manipulation, and adherence to a set of beliefs of behaviours in the absence of actual evidence of fact or reality. Very succinct.
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Pondering
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the point was not the credibility of the OISM...the point was 31000 scientists (including 9,000 Ph.Ds) signed the petition...
Do you want to get in the game of vetting every signatory to every one of these "letters"...how many scientists signed the UN declaration about global warming...shall we vet each one of them based on the community wherein they live?
My point is...and has been....the debate is not over. It's never "Over" in scientific debate....if an item is True it will remain True in every trial, expirement, etc, etc....that has NOT been the case with the argument for Global Warming...
and Oh, I'm not sure how taxing every cured anything...it only shifts the problem...yet, that is what many "scientists" have proposed...
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Pondering
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| Ana wrote: |
I like your list of qualities of religion - folks looking to make a buck by emotional manipulation, and adherence to a set of beliefs of behaviours in the absence of actual evidence of fact or reality. Very succinct. |
well, to be fair, you're merging my two points...
I believe that my definition of religion is pretty close to Websters....the word comes from Latin (?) and I'm pretty sure the original meaning was "adherence"...
The second part is what I believe folks "do" with that system..."belief systems" are another mechanism for identity politics and that's a popular lever to pull...
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Ana
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| Pondering wrote: | No, I'd say that those scientists are in two camps:
Camp 1: scientifically reported on observed events and proposed hypothesis to explain those events. Human caused CO2 increases is one hypothesis...but it's not the only one. The actual scientific debate continues here.
Camp 2: entered into the socio-political environment for power, money, and prestige. These are the ones that signed onto the "debate is over" crowd.
Can't get the link to work...but do a google search for:
Dr. Arthur Robinson (OISM)
Names of over 30,000 Scientists Rejecting Global Warming Hypothesis
Summary:
Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine (OISM)
Who: Dr. Arthur Robinson of the OISM
What: release of names in OISM "Petition Project"
When: 10 AM, Monday May 19
Where: Holeman Lounge at the National Press Club, 529 14th St., NW, Washington, DC
Why: the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine (OISM) will announce that more than 31,000 scientists have signed a petition rejecting claims of human-caused global warming. The purpose of OISM's Petition Project is to demonstrate that the claim of "settled science" and an overwhelming "consensus" in favor of the hypothesis of human-caused global warming and consequent climate damage is wrong. No such consensus or settled science exists. As indicated by the petition text and signatory list, a very large number of American scientists reject this hypothesis.
But then I'm sure,they've all been bought off by the "big oil" companies |
This is the global warming equivalent of the Discovery Institute list.
I found the list, and I found critiques of the list just by trying to find something out about the first signatory on the list.
| This one wrote: | A random sample (the first five names from the list alphabetically) would be Earl M. Aagaard, Charles W. Aami, Roger L. Aamodt, Wilbur A. Aanes, M. Robert Aaron.
1. Earl Aagaard. Field: Biology, interested explicitly in Intelligent Design. Relevant publications on climate change? None.
2. Charles W. Aami. Field: Unknown. I couldn’t find any person by that name in connection to any scientific field, let alone climate science. Relevant publications on climate change? None.
3. Roger L. Aamodt. Field: Oncology. Relevant publications on climate change? None.
4. Wilbur A. Aanes. Field: Veterinary surgery (specifically “large animal surgery”). Relevant publications on climate change? None (although he seems to be well-published on equine surgery, which I’m sure has some bearing on climate change).
5. M. Robert Aaron, DECEASED. Field: Telecommunications. Relevant publications on climate change? None. |
Here, by the way, is that petition:
http://www.petitionproject.org/index.html
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Joebob787
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| Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 6:53 am Post subject: |
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2 Things
Man didn't create the world
Man can't destroy the world
God created the world
God will destroy the world when he wants
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ragman13
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| Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 11:58 am Post subject: |
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| Pondering wrote: | I believe that my definition of religion is pretty close to Websters....the word comes from Latin (?) and I'm pretty sure the original meaning was "adherence"...
The second part is what I believe folks "do" with that system..."belief systems" are another mechanism for identity politics and that's a popular lever to pull... |
adherence to belief systems.= global warming alarmists.
global warming = religion
Yeah Pondering I would say that is about right. 
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45degreeN
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| Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 8:26 am Post subject: North Pole Ice |
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It seems that there is probably more than global warming to explain the melting of the North Pole regional ice pack.
www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/06/080625140649.htm
It seems there are a series of volcanic eruptions deep in the Arctic sea that heretofore were unknown. check the link out.
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