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P1234567890
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It appears that the global warming people feel they must hit everyone over the head until they accept their prophecy and begin to do something about it.
Well even the Biblical prophets were ignored so what makes these global warming people so special that they mustn't be ignored. |
It's not prophecy. It's scientific prediction. There's a big difference between the two.
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RevJP
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True P123...
Scientific prediction is a guess of what might happen based on current observation of measurable things.
Prophecy is a statement of what will happen based on actually being made aware of what happens in the future.
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 10:52 am Post subject: |
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| RevJP wrote: |
Scientific prediction is a guess of what might happen based on current observation of measurable things.
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Sort of like the predictions that the ice caps are going to melt and that the sea levels are going to rise?
The fact that the Earth is warming has been observed and measured.
The fact that the warming is amplified in the arctic regions has been observed and measured.
The fact that the ice caps have been melting and in fact the melt rate has been accelerating has been observed and measured.
The statement that the ice caps are going to melt significantly and that the sea levels are going to rise follows directly from scientific observations and measurements.
It's about as scientific as scientific predictions get.
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"...with or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil -that takes religion..."
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If the current GW effort is "about as scientific as scientific predictions get." then we've got a long way to go in the scientific prediction category...how about they stick to explaining observed events and leave predictions to the fortune tellers?
The fact that the Earth is warming has been observed and measured. Regionally over a specified period of time that statement is true...but depending upon the timescale, the current variance is within "norms" for life sustaining environment. The problem is, this is like taking a depth sounding off the coast of Maine and then pronouncing the worlds oceans average 18 feet deep.
The fact that the warming is amplified in the arctic regions has been observed and measured. except for the for more central regions where it isn't amplified but has infact evidenced "record" cold
The fact that the ice caps have been melting and in fact the melt rate has been accelerating has been observed and measured. what's not reported is that the free floating ice sheets on the "distant" face have historically melted and calved off; what's also not reported is the record ice/snow depth in the "central" portions of Antartica
The statement that the ice caps are going to melt significantly and that the sea levels are going to rise follows directly from scientific observations and measurements. No, it doesn't, but thanks for trying 
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P1234567890
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| Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Pondering wrote: |
The statement that the ice caps are going to melt significantly and that the sea levels are going to rise follows directly from scientific observations and measurements. No, it doesn't, but thanks for trying |
Will you put money on that? I bet that in 5 years the sea levels will be higher than they are today, and that 5 years after that they will be higher than that.
Will you put your money where your mouth is? Ultimately this is the best way to tell if someone actually believes something.
I'll put my money on it. What about you?
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"...with or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil -that takes religion..."
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Will you put money on that? |
nope. I like my money right where it is...in my pocket 
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I bet that in 5 years the sea levels will be higher than they are today, and that 5 years after that they will be higher than that. |
I will advise though, that you more narrowly define your bet...under your construct if I can find any one location in 5 years where the sea level is lower, you lose...you probably want to add "mean" or "average" or something in there...
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Will you put your money where your mouth is? |
nope as there neither a need a compulsion to do so.
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Ultimately this is the best way to tell if someone actually believes something. |
I'm not trying to prove my belief to you...I'm stating what I believe to be true, and I believe that history will hold up to that. I might be right, I might be wrong...whether you believe what I believe, or whether you believe that I believe what I believe is irrelevant to me
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I'll put my money on it. What about you? |
like Jesus in the desert, thrice I reject the siren call of Satan
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Ana
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Al Gore burns more electricity in his house in year than all this junk "saved" combined....plus, they made such an "event" out of the event that tons of people drove their cars to the city icons to "see" the darkness.....ridiculous...vapid, emotional, and ineffective as related to its reason....put then the real reason was to make people "feel good" about themselves, so I guess in that regard, we both win |
K, you know how you always criticize P when he says the word 'Bush'? Well, you've got a serious case of allergic reasoning when it comes to Al Gore. Seriously. Get over Gore because nobody really takes him seriously anyways. To his credit, he does raise awareness, but he's a freaking politician who used the global warming issue as a way to promote himself and make money doing it.
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k...fair point, though I will say your own remarks underscore the "charges" I levy unlike the unfounded BDS claims.....but the guy is spending $300 million to raise "awareness"...I'd like him sued for false advertising
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