Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD

45degreeN · Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 12:58 pm Post subject:

might just as well complain that the air was different making it some how untranslatable. Trivial at best

45degreeN · Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 11:58 am Post subject:

That Y'shua was a carpenter is hardly an important bit of information I dont hold onto it tightly. His father died while he was still young and the uncle Joseph of Arimethea stepped in and brought him up well (outside of the middle East I might add) Which is why the people hardly recognized him as he began his ministry.

Joseph was a member of the Sanhedrin and "noblis decorum" for the Romans, a trader in Tin. Joseph traveled the whole of the Mediterranean and up into what we call England, wherever there were tin mines they went.

It was Joseph's tomb where Y'shua's body was laid for three days (72 hours).

Rocket · House Cat Joined: 10 Dec 2006 Posts: 152

I found this on line, sorry but this is on quite a few websites. Thought those of you who are JW would be interested. I had to delete some of it because of space, it didn't say nice things either.

The Jehovah's Witnesses as a faith, began sometime in 1879. The original founder of the organization was Charles Taze Russell. Russell was born in 1852 and while still a young man, began to develop a terrible fear of hell. At age 17, Russell got into a long conversation with a man who denied the existence of hell. Russell believed the man was right.

Russell published a pamphlet called, The Object and Manner of the Lord's Return. This pamphlet was a lengthy, complicated, and incorrect interpretation of completely unrelated verses combined with an intricate method of computing time. The end result of the work he put into these time frame calculations was that Christ would return in the year 1874.

Needless to say, his theory was incorrect. When it didn't happen then, Russell changed his story and said he would come back in 1914. Also when Christ came back, he said it would be a spiritual 2nd coming, meaning we wouldn't see him.
In 1879, Russell started publishing the magazine, "Zion's watchtower and Herald of Christ's Presence". This step proved very helpful in expanding the Jehovah's Witness movement. By the year 1880 there were 30 new congregations in 7 states. By 1881, Zion's Watchtower and Tract Society established themselves and it was chartered in 1884. The Jehovah's Witness religion was now official.

Come to think of it, it would give me better peace of mind as a Jehovah's Witness to know that I didn't have to wonder if what I was being told today was a lie or not. Because if Russell found it acceptable to break the law and lie in court, how much more comfortable was he with lying to his own congregation?

After Russell died in 1916, Joseph Franklin Rutherford A.K.A. "Judge" Rutherford, was elected as the new leader of the Jehovah's Witness movement. Rutherford picked Brooklyn, New York as the headquarters for the Watchtower organization and the Jehovah's Witness faith grew faster than it did under Russell.

Once Rutherford died on January 8, 1942, Nathan Horner Knorr became the next president of the organization. Unlike the first two presidents, Knorr was quiet and tried to stay out of publicity as much as possible. Under Knorr's leadership, a new emphasis was placed on training programs for Witnesses. A new translation of the Bible was also put out called The New World Translation of the Christian Scriptures.

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ragman13 · Labrador Joined: 07 Jul 2007 Posts: 322

Rocket could you source the web site that your article is on?

TBax · King of the Jungle Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Posts: 1942

Rocket,

Why did you think that was appropriate to place here in the trinity discussion? It doesn't even flow with the conversation, which often in itself deviates from the subject.
That just came from left field. Confused or disgusted

45degreeN · Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 2:10 pm Post subject:

The only possible connection seems to be the JW's lack of trinitarian doctrine

Rocket · House Cat Joined: 10 Dec 2006 Posts: 152

That's true, JW do not believe in the trinity, which in a way makes it part of this discussion. It is evident, until I see further proof, that JW doesn't have much else in common with the Bible or Yeshua. Sorry, but I get tired of the 'holier than thou' attitude of JW.

TBax · King of the Jungle Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Posts: 1942

Rocket,

Our entire teachings are based on the Bible.

Pete

Pete · Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 12:59 pm Post subject:

Hey 45, if you think that God is a trinity, how about a little chapter and verse for your "proof", rather than citing a web site.

Rocket · House Cat Joined: 10 Dec 2006 Posts: 152

One reason is because as with most other religions of today it is man made. Four different times, four different faiths. There were many beliefs listed, these are the one I feel do not agree with the Bible.

WHAT JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES BELIEVE Belief Scriptural Reason
Christ died on a stake, not a cross Gal. 3:13; Acts 5:30
Christ's human life was paid as a ransom for obedient humans Matt. 20:28; 1 Tim. 2:5, 6; 1 Pet. 2:24

Christ was raised from the dead as an immortal spirit person 1 Pet. 3:18; Rom. 6:9; Rev. 1:17, 18

Kingdom will bring ideal living conditions to earth Ps. 72:1-4; Rev. 7:9, 10, 13-17; 21:3, 4
Earth will never be destroyed or depopulated Eccl. 1:4; Isa. 45:18; Ps. 78:69

Wicked will be eternally destroyed Matt. 25:41-46; 2 Thess. 1:6-9
People God approves will receive everlasting life John 3:16; 10:27, 28; 17:3; Mark 10:29, 30Hell is mankind's common grave Job 14:13, Dy; Rev. 20:13, 14, AV (margin)

Adamic death will cease 1 Cor. 15:26, 54; Rev. 21:4; Isa. 25:8
Only a little flock of 144,000 go to heaven and rule with Christ Luke 12:32; Rev. 14:1, 3; 1 Cor. 15:40-53; Rev. 5:9, 10
The 144,000 are born again as spiritual sons of God 1 Pet. 1:23; John 3:3; Rev. 7:3, 4
New covenant is made with spiritual Israel Jer. 31:31; Heb. 8:10-13
Christ John 14:6, 13, 14; 1 Tim. 2:5
A Christian should keep separate from world Jas. 4:4; 1 John 2:15; John 15:19; 17:16

Taking blood into body through mouth or veins violates God's laws Gen. 9:3, 4; Lev. 17:14; Acts 15:28, 29
Sabbath observance was given only to Israel and ended with Mosaic Law Deut. 5:15; Ex. 31:13; Rom. 10:4; Gal. 4:9, 10; Col. 2:16, 17

Rocket · House Cat Joined: 10 Dec 2006 Posts: 152

One reason is because as with most other religions of today it is man made. Four different times, four different faiths. There were many beliefs listed, these are the one I feel do not agree with the Bible.

WHAT JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES BELIEVE Belief Scriptural Reason
Christ died on a stake, not a cross Gal. 3:13; Acts 5:30
Christ's human life was paid as a ransom for obedient humans Matt. 20:28; 1 Tim. 2:5, 6; 1 Pet. 2:24

Christ was raised from the dead as an immortal spirit person 1 Pet. 3:18; Rom. 6:9; Rev. 1:17, 18

Kingdom will bring ideal living conditions to earth Ps. 72:1-4; Rev. 7:9, 10, 13-17; 21:3, 4
Earth will never be destroyed or depopulated Eccl. 1:4; Isa. 45:18; Ps. 78:69

Wicked will be eternally destroyed Matt. 25:41-46; 2 Thess. 1:6-9
People God approves will receive everlasting life John 3:16; 10:27, 28; 17:3; Mark 10:29, 30Hell is mankind's common grave Job 14:13, Dy; Rev. 20:13, 14, AV (margin)

Adamic death will cease 1 Cor. 15:26, 54; Rev. 21:4; Isa. 25:8
Only a little flock of 144,000 go to heaven and rule with Christ Luke 12:32; Rev. 14:1, 3; 1 Cor. 15:40-53; Rev. 5:9, 10
The 144,000 are born again as spiritual sons of God 1 Pet. 1:23; John 3:3; Rev. 7:3, 4
New covenant is made with spiritual Israel Jer. 31:31; Heb. 8:10-13
Christ John 14:6, 13, 14; 1 Tim. 2:5
A Christian should keep separate from world Jas. 4:4; 1 John 2:15; John 15:19; 17:16

Taking blood into body through mouth or veins violates God's laws Gen. 9:3, 4; Lev. 17:14; Acts 15:28, 29
Sabbath observance was given only to Israel and ended with Mosaic Law Deut. 5:15; Ex. 31:13; Rom. 10:4; Gal. 4:9, 10; Col. 2:16, 17

TBax · King of the Jungle Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Posts: 1942

Rocket,

???????????????????????
You don't believe any of those things?????????????????
You don't believe Christians are to be seperate from the world? You don't believe Adamic death will cease?

Rocket · House Cat Joined: 10 Dec 2006 Posts: 152

You don't believe Christians are to be seperate from the world? No, How could we be what Yeshua wanted, to preach and teach if we are separated.
You don't believe Adamic death will cease? Will it? The Bible doesn't teach this.
Rocket wrote:
Sabbath observance was given only to Israel and ended with Mosaic Law
TBax, this is what I think is so ridiculous about all so called Christian religions. Yeshua was an Isrealite, He taught from the Hebrew Bible. His Sabbath was Friday after sundown to Saturday after sundown. He never taught anything else, never believed anything else. The Sabbath is one of the ten commandments, they did not end, and neither did the Sabbath

That could probably be read two different ways. The sabbath was part of the mosiac law that ended at Jesus death.
Where does this idea come from? We are still under the Mosiac Law! There are no two ways about it!

Regardless, basing our beliefs on the Bible doesn't make us "holier than thou
Yes, I know, so if your beliefs are based on the Bible, why do they not agree with what the Bible says? They should, shouldn't they.

TBax · King of the Jungle Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Posts: 1942

Rocket,