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atoz Emperor of the Solar System
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Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 1:39 pm Post subject: Re: Christians...on Probation |
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| Silver Surfer wrote: |
What are you talking about ?
How many little kids think about things like that ?
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All kids that have NO malice.
1 Corinthians 14:
20Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.
SS: What fairy land school did you grow up in ?
A:The same one JC grew up in: the School of Love!smile
SS: Kids are always saying things that hurt others feelings .
A: ONLY AFTER THEY ARE TAUGHT TO HATE THEMSELVES AS OTHERS AN SO HATE OTHERS AS THEMSELVES
SS:Did you forget that they have a natural sinful nature....until Jesus can change it for them ?
A: SS, u need to read 1 Corin 14:20 and matthew 18:1-3.
Then ezekiel 16:44-45.
Kids are not naturally hateful: they have to be taught so!
That's why Love begins at home.
That's why Hatred also begins at home!
in the Love of any little child that has been taught to love and not to hate, Isaiah 9:6-9, 11:1-9
atoz
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Silver Surfer King Kong
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Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 1:48 pm Post subject: Re: Christians...on Probation |
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| atoz wrote: | Unconditional Love means equal 100% Love for all.
God loves the just and the unjust equally--as Himself.
Mt 5:43-48. John 15:9.
in God's unconditional Love for all friends & enemies,
atoz | OK then, tell what is the separating factor the sends certain people to heaven , while others end up in the Lake of Fire, to be destroyed for all time ? |
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atoz Emperor of the Solar System
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Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 2:06 pm Post subject: Re: Christians...on Probation |
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| Silver Surfer wrote: | | atoz wrote: | Unconditional Love means equal 100% Love for all.
God loves the just and the unjust equally--as Himself.
Mt 5:43-48. John 15:9.
in God's unconditional Love for all friends & enemies,
atoz | OK then, tell what is the separating factor the sends certain people to heaven , while others end up in the Lake of Fire, to be destroyed for all time ? |
SS,
The separating factor is once again the same Sin of Hatred which is the first sin in heart of any sent to hell: lev 19:17-18, matthew 22:36-40, John 15:25!
Even if and when God sends wicked people to hell,
He is still LOVING them in HIS HEART---and so He weeps for them!
God loves the good and the wicked: so he cries when he spanks/scourges any one!Mt 5:43-48. Heb 12:5-7.
Ezekiel 18:
23Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord GOD: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?
24But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live?
All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.
25Yet ye say,
The way of the LORD is not equal.
Hear now, O house of Israel;
Is not my way equal? are not your ways unequal?
26When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die.
27Again, when the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive.
28Because he considereth, and turneth away from all his transgressions that he hath committed, he shall surely live, he shall not die.
29Yet saith the house of Israel,
The way of the LORD is not equal.
O house of Israel, are not my ways equal?
are not your ways unequal?
30Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord GOD.
Repent, and turn yourselves from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin.
31Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed;
and make you a new heart and a new spirit:
for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
32For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord GOD: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye.
SS,
as you put more Love in your heart and so into your sabbath-keeping by repenting of hating yourself and any others AS ANY WORDS,
you will then realise what Rom 11:26 and 29, and so many others scripts, are really saying!
God Bless You!
with all Love and R,
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Silver Surfer King Kong
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Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 7:52 am Post subject: Re: Christians...on Probation |
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| atoz wrote: | Ezekiel 18:
23Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord GOD: and not that he should return from his ways, and live? | Yes Sir....a choice between eternal life and eternal death.
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24But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live?
All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die. | The soul that sins it shall die.
BUT, God wants the person to not sin and die for all time and eternity.
However, He will not interfere in any man's choice to live or die. |
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lone-traveler Emperor of the Universe
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Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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Think of it this way...
God is Love and only those who have Love can abide in Love because Love has no hate in it.
So whatsoever is not Love or has no love can not abide in love. It is therefore cast away..
But every man has been born with a spark of love regardless of how small or noticeable, God knows.
And in the end all the hate with be burned up and only love will remain and be allowed to abide with Love.
consider the parable of the talents or the parable of the servants who earn a penny for a days wage all the way down to an hours wage.
They all recieve the same amount..a penny. Regardless of how much "labour" they put in. It was their willingness to work for the hirer that earned them the penny, not the labour or the time.
Jhn 1:9 [That] was the true Light (penny), which lighteth(is given to) every man that cometh into the world.
not only has every man been given light, they have also been given faith.
Rom 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think [of himself] more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
So we all begin with the same penny...now go check out the talents and what happens to those who have much love verses no love.
Mat 25:14 ¶ For [the kingdom of heaven is] as a man travelling into a far country, [who] called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods.
what are (his goods)? fruits? gifts? Love Joy Peace Goodness Kindness, longsuffering, mercy, hope....
Mat 25:15 And unto one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one; to every man according to his several ability; and straightway took his journey.
Mat 25:16 Then he that had received the five talents went and traded with the same, and made [them] other five talents.
reminds me of Paul talking about..if I have sown you spiritual gifts..
1Cr 9:11 If we have sown unto you spiritual things, [is it] a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things?
But if we trade with the same..it is increased..
Love for Love, Joy for Joy, Hope for hope, peace for peace..etc..
Mat 25:17 And likewise he that [had received] two, he also gained other two.
Mat 25:18 But he that had received one went and digged in the earth, and hid his lord's money.
He hid the fruit or the gift or the measure of faith or that light which is given to every man..and hid it. He didn't share his Love which he had recieved from God with anyone..he kept it only for himself.
Mat 25:19 After a long time the lord of those servants cometh, and reckoneth with them.
I reckon, the reckoning is the time of judgment..?
Mat 25:20 And so he that had received five talents came and brought other five talents, saying, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me five talents: behold, I have gained beside them five talents more.
Mat 25:21 His lord said unto him, Well done, [thou] good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.
OOHH look where they get to enter...
Into the JOY of the LORD!!
Mat 25:22 He also that had received two talents came and said, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me two talents: behold, I have gained two other talents beside them.
Mat 25:23 His lord said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.
Mat 25:24 Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed:
Mat 25:25 And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, [there] thou hast [that is] thine.
He was afraid...perfect Love casteth out all fear..therefore his Love wasn't perfect..
Mat 25:26 His lord answered and said unto him, [Thou] wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:
Mat 25:27 Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and [then] at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.
again:
1Cr 9:11 If we have sown unto you spiritual things, [is it] a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things?
even if he had sown carnal things for spiritual things, it would have been better than not sowing at all.
Mat 25:28 Take therefore the talent from him, and give [it] unto him which hath ten talents.
Mat 25:29 For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.
Mat 25:30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
outer darkness is what?
If everyone else gets to enter into the JOY of the LORD,
then I suppose where ever he goes will not be JOYFUL.
sounds kind of sorrowful...yet if one is sent away to sorrow...
check this out:
2Cr 7:8 For though I made you sorry with a letter, I do not repent, though I did repent: for I perceive that the same epistle hath made you sorry, though [it were] but for a season.
2Cr 7:9 Now I rejoice, not that ye were made sorry, but that ye sorrowed to repentance: for ye were made sorry after a godly manner, that ye might receive damage by us in nothing.
2Cr 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
2Cr 7:11 For behold this selfsame thing, that ye sorrowed after a godly sort, what carefulness it wrought in you, yea, [what] clearing of yourselves, yea, [what] indignation, yea, [what] fear, yea, [what] vehement desire, yea, [what] zeal, yea, [what] revenge! In all [things] ye have approved yourselves to be clear in this matter.
2Cr 7:12 Wherefore, though I wrote unto you, [I did it] not for his cause that had done the wrong, nor for his cause that suffered wrong, but that our care for you in the sight of God might appear unto you.
The parable of the talents is a means of warning..that if we do anything out of Love for another than we have reward of the same and it increases and we recieve Joy for our patience in continuing to do good.
But if we become impatient and begin to do things not in Love but in impatience or in hate, then we receive the penalty of losing the Joy we would have had and are made to enter into sorrow.
So that we may learn from the experience that God loves us by punishing us with Godly Sorrow, which leads us to repentance, so that we may be forgiven and excepted into the JOY of the LORD!
Neh 8:9 ¶ And Nehemiah, which [is] the Tirshatha, and Ezra the priest the scribe, and the Levites that taught the people, said unto all the people, This day [is] holy unto the LORD your God; mourn not, nor weep. For all the people wept, when they heard the words of the law.
Neh 8:10 Then he said unto them, Go your way, eat the fat, and drink the sweet, and send portions unto them for whom nothing is prepared: for [this] day [is] holy unto our Lord: neither be ye sorry; for the joy of the LORD is your strength.
Neh 8:11 So the Levites stilled all the people, saying, Hold your peace, for the day [is] holy; neither be ye grieved.
Neh 8:12 And all the people went their way to eat, and to drink, and to send portions, and to make great mirth, because they had understood the words that were declared unto them.
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atoz Emperor of the Solar System
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Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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| lone-traveler wrote: | Think of it this way...
God is Love and only those who have Love can abide in Love because Love has no hate in it.
So whatsoever is not Love or has no love can not abide in love. It is therefore cast away..
But every man has been born with a spark of love regardless of how small or noticeable, God knows.
And in the end all the hate with be burned up and only love will remain and be allowed to abide with Love.
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The parable of the talents is a means of warning..that if we do anything out of Love for another than we have reward of the same and it increases and we recieve Joy for our patience in continuing to do good.
But if we become impatient and begin to do things not in Love but in impatience or in hate, then we receive the penalty of losing the Joy we would have had and are made to enter into sorrow.
So that we may learn from the experience that God loves us by punishing us with Godly Sorrow, which leads us to repentance, so that we may be forgiven and excepted into the JOY of the LORD!
Neh 8:9 ¶ And Nehemiah, which [is] the Tirshatha, and Ezra the priest the scribe, and the Levites that taught the people, said unto all the people, This day [is] holy unto the LORD your God; mourn not, nor weep. For all the people wept, when they heard the words of the law.
Neh 8:10 Then he said unto them, Go your way, eat the fat, and drink the sweet, and send portions unto them for whom nothing is prepared: for [this] day [is] holy unto our Lord: neither be ye sorry; for the joy of the LORD is your strength.
Neh 8:11 So the Levites stilled all the people, saying, Hold your peace, for the day [is] holy; neither be ye grieved.
Neh 8:12 And all the people went their way to eat, and to drink, and to send portions, and to make great mirth, because they had understood the words that were declared unto them.
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Awesome, LT!
with the Hug Of Love, the HOL!smile
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atoz Emperor of the Solar System
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Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 7:53 pm Post subject: Re: Christians...on Probation |
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| Silver Surfer wrote: |
Yes Sir....a choice between eternal life and eternal death.
....BUT, God wants the person to not sin and die for all time and eternity.
However, He will not interfere in any man's choice to live or die. |
But SS,
no person has the basis of making a proper choice unless & until he is called by God and taught how to love by God. John 6:44-45. 1 John 4:19.
Without Proper Love, with Improper Hatred,
all choices are already improper:
any proper choice is already improper due to any lack of Love or any presence of Hate,
and improper choice is then doubly improper.
God only operates on Proper Love: Unconditional Love.
So only people with Proper Love can make an informed choice:
and when that choice is given to Love-informed humans,
that informed choice by Love-informed humans will always be Eternal Love & God & Eternal Life in Eternal Love since Love is unconditional and provides ALL choices anyway!
See Eccles 3:1-8.
Eccles 3:1-8
is based on
Matthew 22:36-40 & 5:43-48
as found in Levit 19:17-48 & Deut 6:4-5.
This is why and how, as you incorporate and have more Love in your heart by lovng yourself as God and JC love you, John 15:9, 1 John 4:19,
you will see that once God shows people how to love,
all humanity will be saved--must be saved!
It's a FOREGONE CONCULSION!smile
see Romans 11:26, 29-end.
with God's Unconditional Love that is the only proper basis for making an educated choice,
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Silver Surfer King Kong
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Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 8:53 am Post subject: Re: Christians...on Probation |
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Christians, are on probation because of God's Love.
The case of Adam & Eve.
Both God's Justice and Love, were shown them.
Probation was granted them, to give them a 2nd chance.
BUT, God's Justice was also revealed, in their punishment.
It was their choice, as to what they were to do....after sentence was pronounce upon them.
IF ...they were to choose to continue to commit more, new sins.....the penalty would be eternal death.
BUT, they chose to not commit any more sins, thru the power of Grace. |
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Silver Surfer King Kong
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Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 11:54 am Post subject: Re: Christians...on Probation |
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| Silver Surfer wrote: | | Quote: | Christians, are criminals....on Probation
Christians are......criminals, on Probation.
Point #1.) I was a sinner...I broke the Law....God's Law.
1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
Point #2.) I was forgiven my 'past' sins, (Romans 3:25) by Jesus Christ, with the idea that I would not commit any known sin again....hence probation.
Point #3.) In order for Jesus Christ is get me qualified for heaven (Be perfect as your Father which is in heaven is perfect), Jesus must show me any sin that I am not yet aware of, and correct any sinful habit which would marr the faultless character which Jesus Christ is trying to bring out in me.
Point #4.) It is then, 'my' responsibilty to correct those faults in my present charcter, thru grace, which God gives me freely....as I have not the strenght to do the that work, in my human power alone.
As scripture says: 'Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling'.
Point #5.) Temptations ...are the testing ground by which my character is tested on a daily basis.
The 10 commandments, as found in Exodus 20:3-17 is God's standard of Righteousness, to check my progress. |
Is there more to be said on this subject ? |
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Silver Surfer King Kong
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Is there more to be said about the topic ?
Please reread the Topic if it was forgotten. |
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