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eleven
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 Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 6:39 am Post subject: And on the third day.... |
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Happy Easter to All Brothers and Sisters!
Can we talk about what this season means to each of you? What is the most important aspect of Easter to you personally? Does it truly have an impact on your life, and if so, how?
Rejoicing!
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Zathrus
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| Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 6:59 am Post subject: |
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Great thread!
At first I thought it was odd that you put the thread here rather than the fellowship forum, but I remembered some of the widely divergent opinions held by some here. I'm sure debate will show up in this thread.
Easter, or specifically the Lord's death and resurrection, remind me that man is restored back to fellowship with God! The most wonderful truth there could be! We are free to enter God's presence and live in relationship with Him. No longer separated, no longer condemned by our sins.
And the resurrection puts me in mind of what it means to have everlasting life. It's beyond what I can truly grasp, to live forever reigning with the Lord. |
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eleven
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| Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 7:17 am Post subject: |
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| Zathrus wrote: | Great thread!
At first I thought it was odd that you put the thread here rather than the fellowship forum, but I remembered some of the widely divergent opinions held by some here. I'm sure debate will show up in this thread. |
Thanks. At first I thought about whether to put it here, or on the fellowship forum, but I'm hoping to get into deeper scriptural meanings here.
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45degreeN
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I prefer to work with the Messianic passover rather than the paganized sun worship that is typical of modern "Easter" celebrations.
Since Y'shua's death was a fulfillment of the original Passover all of the appropriate symbology is contained there. We don't need some sun worshiper adding a sunrise service, "Easter" eggs, "easter" bunnies and all the other fertility symbols. What lies must we tell our children to explain away such non-Christian activities and somehow make the connection with Christ. Hypocrisy is the only appropriate name for such lying.
The covenant God established in the garden of Eden is fulfilled and God has proven his faithfulness. |
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Yehushuan
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| Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 8:50 am Post subject: |
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It wasn’t until the Victorian age that Christmas took on the huge cultural significance it has today. Before this, the major celebration of the Christian church was Holy Week (not even called “easter” then).
The significance for the gospel is that the crucifixion was not “spiritualized into symbolic oblivion”, but was preached as hard historic fact, even to the point where Paul said if such had not happened were all hopeless lunatics.
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eleven
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| Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 1:37 pm Post subject: |
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| 45degreeN wrote: | I prefer to work with the Messianic passover rather than the paganized sun worship that is typical of modern "Easter" celebrations.
Since Y'shua's death was a fulfillment of the original Passover all of the appropriate symbology is contained there. We don't need some sun worshiper adding a sunrise service, "Easter" eggs, "easter" bunnies and all the other fertility symbols. What lies must we tell our children to explain away such non-Christian activities and somehow make the connection with Christ. Hypocrisy is the only appropriate name for such lying.
The covenant God established in the garden of Eden is fulfilled and God has proven his faithfulness. |
Two thoughts on this:
1) It is my belief that God ALWAYS turns evil into good. So the fact that both Christmas and Easter started out as pagan holidays means nothing because now they are recognized as religious holidays. Praise God!
2) Regardless of that, there will always by those who still uphold the pagan traditions of Santa Claus and the Easter bunny. But what does that matter? Jesus Himself said, "there will be poor always." Meaning, there will always be those who never get it. So why should that stop me from celebrating the true meaning of these holidays? Even eggs and bunnies are symbols of new life, so let's take it and run with it.
At Christmas time, I distribute a flyer on how the candy cane originated. It is all about the blood and innocence of Jesus, and how He is our shepard. To this day, not one person was put off by the holiness of the holiday.
Regardless of what people believe, somewhere deep down in their souls, people are hungry to know God better. So if they connect to God via the Easter bunny, I say, let's go for it! |
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Pete
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| Not only is the day wrong, but I think Passover is still about a month away. |
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eleven
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| Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 1:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Yehushuan wrote: |
The significance for the gospel is that the crucifixion was not “spiritualized into symbolic oblivion”, but was preached as hard historic fact, even to the point where Paul said if such had not happened were all hopeless lunatics.
Yehu |
Question:
Is the crucifixion "overpreached"?
How significant is it in the Christian life?
How much importance does it hold compared to the resurrection, or is there a difference at all?
Talk to me, anyone. |
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Pete
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| eleven wrote: |
Question:
Is the crucifixion "overpreached"?
How significant is it in the Christian life?
How much importance does it hold compared to the resurrection, or is there a difference at all?
Talk to me, anyone. |
I'd suggest that you do a little research about the timing of the crucifixion in relation to Passover. |
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eleven
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| Pete wrote: | | eleven wrote: |
Question:
Is the crucifixion "overpreached"?
How significant is it in the Christian life?
How much importance does it hold compared to the resurrection, or is there a difference at all?
Talk to me, anyone. |
I'd suggest that you do a little research about the timing of the crucifixion in relation to Passover. |
Good advice, but in the traditional Christian churches, who does that?
I have churches around me that preach the crucifixion means we are free from the law forever. Is that true? |
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45degreeN
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The timing of Easter is based upon the vernal equinox and changes as much as 60 days from year to year. The timing has nothing whatsoever to do with the basic reason for the celebration the death and resurrection of Christ.
Passover is the same day each year regardless of which day of the week it might fall on and is in fact the proper timing for the death and resurrection of Christ since all of the scriptural references point to that timing.
Even if you insist upon a Sunday resurrection it should be the Sunday after Passover not some weird event based upon the first Sunday after the first full moon after the Vernal equinox which is the basis we use in America.
Eleven I agree there will be some who never get it |
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eleven
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| Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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| 45degreeN wrote: | The timing of Easter is based upon the vernal equinox and changes as much as 60 days from year to year. The timing has nothing whatsoever to do with the basic reason for the celebration the death and resurrection of Christ.
Passover is the same day each year regardless of which day of the week it might fall on and is in fact the proper timing for the death and resurrection of Christ since all of the scriptural references point to that timing.
Even if you insist upon a Sunday resurrection it should be the Sunday after Passover not some weird event based upon the first Sunday after the first full moon after the Vernal equinox which is the basis we use in America.
Eleven I agree there will be some who never get it |
I can't argue with anything you said. I believe you are right on the mark. But tomorrow the churches will be filled with the C & E's. (Christmas and Easter) Christians.
And what I am most concerned about is the modern day message of the crucifixion and resurrection.
There seems to be a trend now in sermons.It seems to be all about all that God "owes" us. Does anyone out there see this as well, or am I just paranoid?
Is that what the crucifixion and resurrection are all about? |
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rufus
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| 45degreeN wrote: | Passover not some weird event based upon the first Sunday after the first full moon after the Vernal equinox which is the basis we use in America.
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in America? I thought that was the method decided by the Roman Catholic church and carried over to the Protestant religions?
Just curious, how does the Eastern Orthodox church calculate the date of Easter? Is it the "second" Sunday after the first full moon after the Vernal equinox? Or some other method? |
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45degreeN
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The difference between the Catholic and Eastern Orthodox is the use of the Julian calendar vs Gregorian calendar. Both are tied to the Vernal Equinox.
They are both disconnected from the Passover which is the scriptural timing basis for the event that is celebrated as Easter.
It is not that it is the "American" version so much as just the way we do it since we are so immersed in the Catholic traditions even if we aren't Catholic. |
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eleven
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| 45degreeN wrote: | The difference between the Catholic and Eastern Orthodox is the use of the Julian calendar vs Gregorian calendar. Both are tied to the Vernal Equinox.
They are both disconnected from the Passover which is the scriptural timing basis for the event that is celebrated as Easter.
It is not that it is the "American" version so much as just the way we do it since we are so immersed in the Catholic traditions even if we aren't Catholic. |
Which only goes to prove the point once again:
God, very often has absolutely nothing to do with religion. When are we going to get our priorities straight? |
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