WHAT IS SATAN?

MoJo · Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 12:08 pm Post subject:

Strong's vanity;

1) what is devoid of truth and appropriateness

2) perverseness, depravity

3) frailty, want of vigour

This Greek word used in three NT scriptures;

Rom 8:20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected [the same] in hope,

Eph 4:17 ¶ This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind,

2Pe 2:18 ¶ For when they speak great swelling [words] of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, [through much] wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.

So, trettep, why must it be interpreted that God created Adam subject to vanity and not that Adam was made subject to vanity after he transgressed?

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lone-traveler · Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 3:53 pm Post subject:

Prior to God saying Thou shalt not eat, there was no sin in the world.
Only after the law was introduced was sin allowed to enter.
Sin is the transgression of the law. Where there is no law, there is no sin.
So God knowing before hand that giving man the law would also introduce sin or the opportunity of sin into the world, why didn't he just let them keep on a going, and not put up a stop sign in the first place?

There was no sin "in" the world, doesn't mean to say that there was no tendency of sin "in" Adam.
Only that it hadn't manifested itself as sin until the law came.

And only after breaking the law was sin/death manifested in the flesh.
what does Paul say...??

It's that confusing chapter.. Rolling Eyes

Rom 7:7 ¶ What shall we say then? [Is] the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Rom 7:8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin [was] dead.
Rom 7:9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
Rom 7:10 And the commandment, which [was ordained] to life, I found [to be] unto death.
Rom 7:11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew [me].
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law [is] holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom 7:13 ¶ Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

( Rom 7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
Rom 7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that [it is] good.
Rom 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.)

someday, maybe someone can break that down into language I can understand.. Confused or disgusted

Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but [how] to perform that which is good I find not.

So for Adam to "perform" to do that which is good, he would have had to "just say no"..But he couldn't perform the good until he learned what evil was. And evil was already with him, he just didn't see it.

Rom 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Rom 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

I can actually see Adam trying to explain what happened in the garden.

just sharin some thoughts..
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lone

Yehushuan · Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 7:33 pm Post subject:

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lone-traveler · Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 7:43 am Post subject:

1Jo 2:24 ¶ Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.
1Jo 2:25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, [even] eternal life.
1Jo 2:26 These [things] have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.
1Jo 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

This context can be applied to so many things.

In the beginning let's say Adam had the spirit of God "in" him. But he was "seduced" to give it up for the sake of Eve.
Jesus said..If I do not go away, then the comforter will not come. It is expedient that I go so that he can be sent into the world.

not sure where my trail of thought is going..
but somehow I think Adam had to give away eternal life so that the whole world could reap the benefits of it.
If he had kept it for himself, then Eve would have been condemned alone, and left alone to face death and destruction.
But because Adam gave up his life and chose to suffer with Eve and face death..together even after losing life were able to find it again..
By God's grace and compassion and forgiveness.

Maybe God wanted to see if Adam would lay his own life down for his friend..Eve..the mother of all living.

just thinking..
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lone

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lone-traveler · Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 8:58 am Post subject:

Hi Paul,