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45degreeN
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 Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 7:03 am Post subject: Geraldine Ferraro's help? |
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It seems that Hillary Clinton doesn't feel that Ferraro needed to be fired but instead 'allowed' her to resign from her post on the Hillary finance committee. Hillary needed to distance herself completely from Geraldine's comments and openly reject this tactic, but she didn't. Hillary allowed 15 days to pass prior to any comment at all and no disavowal of the idea but rather some non-committal Ok it's passed now.
Geraldine was never the successful politician anyway and now her real attitude comes out. Talk about being a beneficiary of quotas, (her run for the vice presidency), we'll find someone who was truly unqualified and who failed because of it. Geraldine made a similar comment during the Jesse Jackson campaign 20 years ago and remains of this same attitude it seems.
Hillary's choice of tactics lately has been to throw everything they can in the face of Obama even if it is what the republicans would do, just for the chance of winning the democratic nomination. This is a complete capitulation to the republicans and a losing strategy for the general election. It attempts to sabotage the Obama campaign in the worst way leaving only McCain to pick up the pieces.
What little respect I might have had for the junior senator from New York (Clinton) has been lost. She should quit now and those super delegates who are senior democratic operatives must confront her about this lack of foresight. We dont need some 'monster' running the democratic machine into the ground at the very time when we have been given this great opportunity to offer true change in the way the government works for the best.
Frankly what is more likely is that Hillary's campaign would not ever begin without her being the first lady during her husband's presidency. This is not some qualification on her part but rather some benefit of her previous position. Note: the Obama campaign has not said this publicly yet not a single one of his supporters hasn't thought this very thing since Geraldine's comment.
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| Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 7:26 am Post subject: |
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| well...what the crap was the comment?..... |
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“If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position. And if he was a woman of any color, he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept.”
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RevJP
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Well, she was speaking the truth... Too bad she didn't include shrillary in that comment.
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Luvnlife
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| Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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| RevJP wrote: | | Well, she was speaking the truth... Too bad she didn't include shrillary in that comment. |
No kidding.... That's exactly what I was thinking when I first read what Ms. Geraldine spewed.
How stupid! She's working for a woman who wants to be President of the U.S. Remind me again... how many women candidates have thrown their proverbial hats in the ring seeking the position of President of this great United States within the past 230 years or so?
The reason Hillary is garnering so much attention is the fact that she is a woman and she was the First Lady. The idea of a woman running for President, let alone a former First Lady, is a novel concept. How stupid to make such a comment about Barack.
I know I am not voting for Hillary and I have frankly not decided whether I am going to vote at all this time around as so far, I have not been wowed or impressed with any of them.
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theseldomscene
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ditto the two above post....  |
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Pete
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Obama is playing the black card as hard as he can, and when he is called on it, he and his cohorts cry "foul". On the other hand, Hillary is playing the gender card. Issues? neither has said anything specific, but speak in vague generalities. Geraldine is simply speaking the candid truth apart from being politically expedient.
Obama's slogan is "Change". What the dickens is a Democrat from the totally corrupt Democratic state of Illinois going to bring to the national level? He's up to his ears in shinnanigans in Illinois. The elephants and the donkeys have been in control of Washington forever. Obama and Clinton are a part of this "Old boy" network.
The only "Change" will be whose in charge of the "money trough". The two party system is as corrupt as it can be. Human greed - what a sight to behold! |
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Luvnlife
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Pete says: | Quote: | | Issues? neither has said anything specific, but speak in vague generalities. |
Good point. I was just thinking that the only thing I have heard from or about Hillary or Barack are bickering words back and forth and slanderous allegations and comments from other corners of their camps (like Baracks' Pastor or former Pastor or whatever he is..). The other main player seems to be completely silent. For the first time ever, I do not feel like I have a good handle on what any of them stand for. I have no idea what they plan on doing for this great nation or how they hope to accomplish whatever their goals are.
Geraldine Ferraro made a big political blunder though because the candidate she is supporting is where she is because she is a woman and a former First Lady. It's like the pot calling the kettle black, (no pun intended).
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45degreeN
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Pete has taken the cynic's position as far as the democrats are concerned, hard not to given their history. But I dare say that the republicans aren't free from that same source of corruption either. Neither of us can predict the future though and I suspect that things will get far worse before they get better.
How does Pete suggest we change the political system? Let's get constructive rather than sit back with our cynicism and shout out our criticisms. Is it possible for a third party candidate succeed to the presidency? Can the money which runs Washington ever be trumped, with principle?
I await your positive suggestions!
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| Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 10:13 am Post subject: |
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How does Pete suggest we change the political system? Let's get constructive rather than sit back with our cynicism and shout out our criticisms. Is it possible for a third party candidate succeed to the presidency? Can the money which runs Washington ever be trumped, with principle?
I await your positive suggestions! |
I've mentioned some things in previous posts, but let's say for starters: get rid of funding of private campaign war chests. All funding should go into a common pot to be divided equally among ALL qualified candidates. The media should give equal FREE time to ALL candidates. Campaigning should be restricted to 6 weeks before an election.
Most of all, get rid of career politicians by restricting all offices to two terms, as per the presidency. Lawyers should also be excused from serving, as they do on juries.
Unfortunately, any proposal like the above would get buried so deep it would never come up for consideration. Folks don't seem to understand. We are living in a completely politically corrupt nation, from Washington down to the local level. |
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P1234567890
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| Pete wrote: |
I've mentioned some things in previous posts, but let's say for starters: get rid of funding of private campaign war chests. All funding should go into a common pot to be divided equally among ALL qualified candidates. The media should give equal FREE time to ALL candidates. Campaigning should be restricted to 6 weeks before an election. |
Holy smokes Pete, I not only agree with everything you wrote here, but in fact I think that it's all brilliant!
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Most of all, get rid of career politicians by restricting all offices to two terms, as per the presidency. Lawyers should also be excused from serving, as they do on juries. |
Pete, your political ideas totally rule!
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Unfortunately, any proposal like the above would get buried so deep it would never come up for consideration. Folks don't seem to understand. We are living in a completely politically corrupt nation, from Washington down to the local level. |
Amen!
Pete, what I don't understand is how your political ideals can be so close to mine, and yet our scientific views are so far apart... It makes me question whether we actually disagree on all of those scientific issues or whether we've been miscommunicating.
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| Pete wrote: |
I've mentioned some things in previous posts, but let's say for starters: get rid of funding of private campaign war chests. All funding should go into a common pot to be divided equally among ALL qualified candidates. The media should give equal FREE time to ALL candidates. Campaigning should be restricted to 6 weeks before an election. |
Excellent idea.
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I've seen some good ideas Pete, and some bad and/or nearly impossible to implement, ideas:
| Quote: | | Campaigning should be restricted to 6 weeks before an election. |
Good idea, however, six weeks prior to which election? the primaries or the general?
| Quote: | | All funding should go into a common pot to be divided equally among ALL qualified candidates. |
Please define 'qualified'.
According to the U.S. Constitution:
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No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States. |
So, by law, the only 'qualifications' are a natural born citizen, 35 years old, and a U.S. resident for 14 years.
Do you perhaps have other 'qualifications' in mind that are not enumerated by law?
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The media should give equal FREE time to ALL candidates. |
So the government should force a business to donate free airtime to anyone and everyone who wants to run for president? Should the government take complete control of the private airwaves or just for this specific purpose? Kinda borders on the violation of civil rights....
| Quote: | | Most of all, get rid of career politicians by restricting all offices to two terms, as per the presidency. |
Great idea!
| Quote: | | Lawyers should also be excused from serving, as they do on juries. |
Really? So one is to be discriminated against for his choice of a profession? Maybe black lawyers or women lawyers could get a pass on this discrimination...
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Unfortunately, any proposal like the above would get buried so deep it would never come up for consideration. |
I think there are good ideas here that would actually get fair consideration, however, some of the ideas are illegal, immoral, or just impossible.
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45degreeN
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1st off the media uses the same air waves as the government grants them for the public welfare they each must meet some qualifications or hypothetically they might just lose their licenses. (Has it ever happened, I don't know) So free air time would be granted for the election by the government to be doled out at the convenience of the license holder. If those license holders dont like it then they can look somewhere else for their livelihood.
Some career politicians are good , others are not so good (I guess it depends on your point of view doesn't it.) I would restrict their reappearances in the lobbying community to at least 10 years after their last term is over. Especially since they get a wonderful retirement program at the tax payers expense and hardly need the income from lobbying.
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