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eleven
King of the Jungle
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 Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 1:21 pm Post subject: Re: Who is really in charge? |
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| atoz wrote: | | beloved57 wrote: |
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Fabricated Garbage..
God Hates the seed of the serpent the wicked out of covenant with Him..
Ps 5:5
5The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity. |
[atoz' colour]
atoz:
Matthew 10:
16Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves:
be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.
God loves junk like me and makes me into a Hunk!smile
God loves fabricators like me & makes me into Tapestry of Omni Colours!
Gen 37:3, 23, 32.
God loves serpents and makes me as wise as serpents!Matthew 10:16.
God loves the wicked and made Ed Wick out of me!
God loves fools as Himself & makes me wise! 1 Cor 1:25
God loves the iniquiters or inequaliters like me and makes me into equality, quality and equal to Him! Matthew 5:48.
God loves sinners like me and makes me a saint!Mt 5:48
God hates only the sin or iniquity of Hatred for any sinner or for any serpent or for any fool or for any wicked or for any fabric or for any worker or for any garb in any age or for any junk or for any 747 or for any 757 or for any 767 or for any 777!
in God's Ever-Continual Covenant of Everlasting Love for all of us as all words and their opposites as God and JC love us as Themselves, Jeremiah 32:40. John 15:9
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Fantastic atoz! I particularly liked this one:
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Matthew 10:
16Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves:
be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.
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God ALWAYS turns evil into good.
Nice post! |
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eleven
King of the Jungle
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| Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 1:24 pm Post subject: Re: Who is really in charge? |
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| beloved57 wrote: | | knuckle wrote: | Hi All----------
Recently I have been discussing the sovereignty of God with a friend of mine.In our discussion I posed the idea that God,because of His abilities (or at least those attributed to Him), must either be working things in accordance with His will or not have the abilities attributed to Him.
So is God the all knowing all seeing omni-present God we were taught about in Sunday school?Does He have any limitations in His ability?
looking forward to your reply
much love---------knuckle |
None , The God of The Bible is ALL MIGHTY.. |
Amen to that  |
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eleven
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| Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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| atoz wrote: | | eleven wrote: |
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You're right! Praise God, I'm a literal idiot.
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Knock and the door will be opened to you.
Where is it, where is it?????
HELP, I can't find the door!!!!!!
Upon this rock, I will build My church.
Anybody have a map? I need to find THAT rock.......
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Once again, I literally apologize for my heresy. |
Xlnt, Xi!smile
With Love, the wisdom of the idiots, 1 Cor 3:18
from one idiot to another, smile
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I receive it, Brother! And may you continue to be abundantly blessed. 
Prayer of the day-
Dear God,
I thank you for making me an idiot, because in my ultimate stupidity, I seem to remember something told of You. It went something like this:
"For nothing is impossible with God."
(one more time for clarity)
"For nothing is impossible with God"
(in English this time)
"For Nothing
def: NOTHING
1 : not any thing : no thing <leaves nothing to the imagination>
2 : no part
3 : one of no interest, value, or consequence <they mean nothing to me>
— nothing doing : by no means : definitely no
— nothing for it : no alternative <nothing for it but to start over>
is impossible with God.
May those who believe God has ANY kind of limitation, harken to Your voice, in Jesus name. Amen |
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MoJo
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| Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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Jer 12:15 And it shall come to pass, after that I have plucked them out I will return, and have compassion on them, and will bring them again, every man to his heritage, and every man to his land.
Jer 12:16 And it shall come to pass, if they will diligently learn the ways of my people, to swear by my name, The LORD liveth; as they taught my people to swear by Baal; then shall they be built in the midst of my people.
Jer 12:17 But if they will not obey, I will utterly pluck up and destroy that nation, saith the LORD.
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eleven
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| Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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| MoJo wrote: | Jer 12:15 And it shall come to pass, after that I have plucked them out I will return, and have compassion on them, and will bring them again, every man to his heritage, and every man to his land.
Jer 12:16 And it shall come to pass, if they will diligently learn the ways of my people, to swear by my name, The LORD liveth; as they taught my people to swear by Baal; then shall they be built in the midst of my people.
Jer 12:17 But if they will not obey, I will utterly pluck up and destroy that nation, saith the LORD.
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Meaning what? |
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MoJo
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| Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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Meaning, if a person is trying to prove a correct interpretation scripturally, half the context shouldn't be left out. Do you disagree with that?
If you read Jeremiah, you will find that many did not return from Babylon. Bobf's emphasis was on **every man** returning.
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matt 6: 34 "Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof." |
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eleven
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| Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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| MoJo wrote: | | Meaning, if a person is trying to prove a correct interpretation scripturally, half the context shouldn't be left out. Do you disagree with that? |
No, you are right. Actually I think it should go further-
taking the entire Bible into context.
I was only confused because I didn't realize who you were responding to.
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If you read Jeremiah, you will find that many did not return from Babylon. Bobf's emphasis was on **every man** returning.
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Got it. |
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Luvnlife
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| Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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Eleven said: | Quote: | | So what you are saying is, the world is a hell hole because God is unable to do anything about it? |
I think God can do anything. I believe he could change the state of the world. How would that serve Gods purpose? How would that benefit us? The answer is if God intervened he would be taking away our freedom of choice and imposing His will on us. We would become no more than puppets. We would no longer have free will.
The whole point is that God wants sons and daughters who are loving, who want peace. People who cherish each other and place a high value on honesty, integrity and charity. He wants us to appreciate all He has done for us and He wants us to appreciate each other. Most importantly, He wants us to do this not because He's requiring it of us but because we choose to live this way. He wants us to do these things because we share His values and His vision. Because we put a premium in our hearts on peace and we know that the straight and narrow road, though a rough road that has few travelers, leads to peace and eternal happiness.
Luv
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eleven
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| Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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| luvnlife wrote: | | Eleven wrote: | | So what you are saying is, the world is a hell hole because God is unable to do anything about it? |
I think God can do anything. I believe he could change the state of the world. How would that serve Gods purpose? How would that benefit us? The answer is if God intervened he would be taking away our freedom of choice and imposing His will on us. We would become no more than puppets. We would no longer have free will. |
Well luv, I tend to agree with you, however JB seems to have a different opinion. That is why I asked the question that you quoted above.
Here's what JB said:
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Another thought is that If God had no limitations then we would see harmony in the world. That just isn't the case.
Angels have fallen and men have fallen.
Another thought is, If God had no limitations, then all people every where would be saved. Again, that just isn't the case. |
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bobf
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| Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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| MoJo wrote: | Jer 12:15 And it shall come to pass, after that I have plucked them out I will return, and have compassion on them, and will bring them again, every man to his heritage, and every man to his land.
Jer 12:16 And it shall come to pass, if they will diligently learn the ways of my people, to swear by my name, The LORD liveth; as they taught my people to swear by Baal; then shall they be built in the midst of my people.
Jer 12:17 But if they will not obey, I will utterly pluck up and destroy that nation, saith the LORD.
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Verse 17 gives the condition on being plucked up.
Verse 16 gives the condition on God having compassion after one has been plucked up.
Neither verse negates that truth that after God has plucked up he will yet have compassion again [if/when a person returns to God with all his heart and obeys God]. Nor do they negate the truth that God will bring every man back [again if/when that person returns to God].
Not all returned from physical Babylon. Are they examples of people never exiting spiritual Babylon? Not all entered the physical promised land. Are these examples of people never entering God's kingdom? If so what would it mean for Moses that he did not enter the promised land?
I understand these as shadows of the many called, few chosen, few to rise in the first resurrection, few to be kings and priests to reign with Christ and few to judge the world -- not as symbols of who will/won't ever enter God's kingdom.
At any rate, my main point was that God "hated" His beloved and yet promised to have compassion on at least some of those He "hated" when they return to God. So "Esau I hated" does not mean there are some elected by God to hell. |
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atoz
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| Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 5:04 am Post subject: |
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| eleven wrote: |
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Prayer of the day-
Dear God,
I thank you for making me an idiot, because in my ultimate stupidity, I seem to remember something told of You. It went something like this:
"For nothing is impossible with God."
(one more time for clarity)
"For nothing is impossible with God"
(in English this time)
"For Nothing
def: NOTHING
1 : not any thing : no thing <leaves nothing to the imagination>
2 : no part
3 : one of no interest, value, or consequence <they mean nothing to me>
— nothing doing : by no means : definitely no
— nothing for it : no alternative <nothing for it but to start over>
is impossible with God.
May those who believe God has ANY kind of limitation, harken to Your voice, in Jesus name. Amen |
atoz: Xlnt, XI!smile
with the Love that is the Wisdom of the Idiots,
atoz, the idio-syncratic idio-t, smile
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was a far greater scientist than any of our modern scientists."
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“Pure mathematics is, in its way, the poetry of logical ideas.”
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William Shakespeare, 12th Night |
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theseldomscene
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| Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 10:38 am Post subject: |
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| thread title wrote: | | Who is really in charge? |
the golden rule:...
HE/he who has the gold...makes the rules...  |
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JB
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| Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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Yehu,
I would like to revisit my early post on 1 Corinthians 15. As we reviewed this text we all agreed to a certain degree that in the end all would be brought back to life. My Position was that Jesus was the first fruits. The saints would be second and then those who faced condemnation would be last. I was met with some resistance in regards to this position. I still strongly hold that position. I would like for us to take a fresh look at this text.
(Verse 22) For in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive.
(Verse 23) But each in his own order. Christ the first fruits. After that those who are Christ's at His coming. Then comes the end. The end is Judgment.
This texts from the very beginning refers to everyone Not Just saints. All shall be made alive.
Daniel 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to everlasting contempt.
Jesus isn't going to judge corpses but live people. Including those that existed in the time of Moses. This text seems to be more about our salvation than judgment but the writer did make it clear that all would be made alive. (Verse 22)
John 5:29 And shall come forth; those who did good deeds to a resurrection of life and those who committed evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.
Acts 24:15 Having hope in God, which these men cherish themselves, that there will certainly be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked.
Verse 24 then comes the (telos) end. Not an ending of a departed state, but the arrival of a complete or perfect one.
If the final state has arrived, then there is a good chance that the unrighteous were raised up at this point as the scriptures indicate and they faced final judgment and eternal separation from God.
Are you sure the writer wasn't at least thinking about this when this text was written? I don't see any thing that would indicate him not thinking in these terms.
Lord bless. |
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ragman13
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| Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 3:29 am Post subject: |
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eleven wrote:
| Quote: | | "For nothing is impossible with God." |
Can God gain power?
| Quote: | (one more time for clarity)
"For nothing is impossible with God" |
Can God gain wisdom?
| Quote: | (in English this time)
"For Nothing |
Can God be more infinite?
God has limits
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atoz
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| Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 4:04 am Post subject: |
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| ragman13 wrote: |
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God has limits |
Atoz: Hi Ragman13,
Excellent!
God has limits even as God's Love is limitless, unlimited, unlimitable and illimitable!smile
in the Unlimited Wisdom & Power of Limitless Love that makes
God's limits less limited than any wiseman in Hate,
God's impotence stronger than any strongman in Hate,
God's foolishness wiser than any wiseman who hates fools, 1 Cor 1:25,
atoz
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"The person who discovered The Law of Love
was a far greater scientist than any of our modern scientists."
MKGANDHI
“Pure mathematics is, in its way, the poetry of logical ideas.”
Albert Einstein
“Love sought is good, but given unsought is better.”
William Shakespeare, 12th Night |
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