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christina
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 Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 2:19 pm Post subject: Did Jesus go to hell? |
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Did Jesus go to hell?
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theseldomscene
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 i am surprised no one has responded... ,...it is usually a hot debate topic.... |
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Siam
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| Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 5:37 pm Post subject: Re: Did Jesus go to hell? |
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| christina wrote: | | Did Jesus go to hell? |
Well being crucified ain't no definition of heaven.
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trettep
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| Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 6:00 pm Post subject: Re: Did Jesus go to hell? |
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| christina wrote: | | Did Jesus go to hell? |
He went to Hades which is translated as "hell" in many Bibles. It means that He went to an opening in the ground.
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Yeah, but only in the "Just Visiting" section.
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knuckle
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Hi-------------
Jesus died----He was dead ---- He knew nothing from the time He closed his eyes in death till He awoke in the tomb.
Hades though translated "hell" or "grave" is not talking about a place but a state of being.
much love------------knuckle |
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trettep
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| knuckle wrote: | Hi-------------
Jesus died----He was dead ---- He knew nothing from the time He closed his eyes in death till He awoke in the tomb.
Hades though translated "hell" or "grave" is not talking about a place but a state of being.
much love------------knuckle |
I believe it is talking about a both a state of being and a place. A place in the physical sense that is an image of something in a Spiritual Sense.
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christina
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Thanks for your replys.
When i say "hell" I mean
The abode of condemned souls; the place of punishment for the wicked after death.
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Yehushuan
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| christina wrote: | | When i say "hell" I mean... |
It is highly unlikely that either Jesus or Paul held to the same definition as you. This kind of "hell" was invented by the Catholic church much later, as can be seen in the history of literature, art and doctrine.
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christina
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| Yehushuan wrote: | | christina wrote: | | When i say "hell" I mean... |
It is highly unlikely that either Jesus or Paul held to the same definition as you. This kind of "hell" was invented by the Catholic church much later, as can be seen in the history of literature, art and doctrine.
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You dont think that there is a
place where the dead exist.
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JB
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Christina,
Have you ever done an in depth study on hell? I would be interested in what you have to say on the subject based upon your study of that subject. So far, no one has ever given me a clear detailed Biblical description of hell. I have some ideas of my own but would like to hear more and learn more on his very controversial topic.
Thank You for your upcoming response. |
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45degreeN
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| Quote: | 19There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:
20And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,
21And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
22And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
23And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
24And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
25But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
26And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
27Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:
28For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
29Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
30And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
31And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead. |
This idea of Abraham's bossom is spoken of here as a waiting place. Jesus, who spoke this parable, clearly spoke of a further place of torment called here hell (KJV)
fire (NIV) Hades (ESV) flames (NASB).
Interesting though that it was Abraham who spoke to this man in torment.
Lastly note that this parable of Jesus indicates that people who hear of the resurrection will not be persuaded and be saved from this torment.
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christina
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| JB wrote: | Christina,
Have you ever done an in depth study on hell? I would be interested in what you have to say on the subject based upon your study of that subject. So far, no one has ever given me a clear detailed Biblical description of hell. I have some ideas of my own but would like to hear more and learn more on his very controversial topic.
Thank You for your upcoming response. |
I think Hell is a place where souls were exiled to.
A place of darkness, chaos & confusion.
But I think it is possible to be released from hell. I dont think hell is eternal for everyone.
I would like to hear your view on the subject.
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christina
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| 45degreeN wrote: |
Lastly note that this parable of Jesus indicates that people who hear of the resurrection will not be persuaded and be saved from this torment. |
when you say saved do you mean they will not have to experience torment at all, or that they will experience it but still live?
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JB
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Christina,
Thank you for your response. I believe that hell is separation from God. I have always wondered about the Final judgment of humanity. Think about it. Here we are standing in the presence of perfect love. Something that we cannot even begin to grasp. But for those who aren't covered by the blood of Christ, there is shame and embarrassment because Jesus isn't their mediator.
Isaiah 6 talks about Isaiah in the Temple. He saw how dirty he was and he felt nothing but shame when he had his God experience. He only got a little taste of God, we will be there with Him. Then can you imagine what it will be like when He says , depart from me, I never knew you. Now that person is totally separated from the Love of God for eternity. If they retain consciousness or the memory of that love, That would have to be a great torment.
This is just a thought. God Bless you and keep seeking the King. |
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