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Silver Surfer
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 Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 5:16 pm Post subject: Too Much Emphasis on God's Love ? |
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Are too many people hung up on the revealed Bible truth, of God's love for men/women ?
The point I want to make is that God's Love for mankind, in general, is a very well established Biblical fact.
What is NOT well established is the Biblical fact of God, wanting people, to prove their Love for Him.
Why is it that when the 10 commandments (Exodus 20:3-17) are mentioned....there is a great resistance, from people who are suppose to be Christians ? |
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eleven
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| Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 12:59 am Post subject: Re: Too Much Emphasis on God's Love ? |
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| Silver Surfer wrote: | Are too many people hung up on the revealed Bible truth, of God's love for men/women ?
The point I want to make is that God's Love for mankind, in general, is a very well established Biblical fact.
What is NOT well established is the Biblical fact of God, wanting people, to prove their Love for Him.
Why is it that when the 10 commandments (Exodus 20:3-17) are mentioned....there is a great resistance, from people who are suppose to be Christians ? |
Cause the 10 commandments makes people look at themselves which can be a very uncomfortable feeling.
It's easier to ignore them - then maybe they'll go away.
But what people don't understand is, God did not give us the 10 commandments in order to stop us from hurting Him; He gave them to us in order to stop us from hurting ourselves. |
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atoz
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| Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 6:16 am Post subject: Re: Too Much Emphasis on God's Love ? |
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| Silver Surfer wrote: | ....
What is NOT well established is the Biblical fact of God, wanting people, to prove their Love for Him.
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Hi SS,
How does God prove His Love for you?
with Love and Respect,
atoz |
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james
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| Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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| It is not so much resistance to the ten commandments as it is a resistance to legalistic people who push Christians to fall back under the works of the law, which was given by Moses, and take the focus off of Christ, by whom grace and truth came by. |
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eleven
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| Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 2:37 pm Post subject: |
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| james wrote: | | It is not so much resistance to the ten commandments as it is a resistance to legalistic people who push Christians to fall back under the works of the law, which was given by Moses, and take the focus off of Christ, by whom grace and truth came by. |
Agreed. The problem is many of those "legalistic people" are in the church. |
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james
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| Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Very true eleven, I could not agree more. Every church reguardless of denomination has them. |
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Silver Surfer
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Location: Hayden, Idaho, USA
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| Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 9:35 am Post subject: Re: Too Much Emphasis on God's Love ? |
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| atoz wrote: | | Silver Surfer wrote: | ....
What is NOT well established is the Biblical fact of God, wanting people, to prove their Love for Him.
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Hi SS,
How does God prove His Love for you?
with Love and Respect,
atoz |
Christ as God made the ULTIMATE Sacrifice for mankind.
He could have let Adam & Eve die then and there
BUT, He was willing to die the eternal death in their place.
The Absolute expression of Love ! |
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Silver Surfer
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| james wrote: | | It is not so much resistance to the ten commandments as it is a resistance to legalistic people who push Christians to fall back under the works of the law, which was given by Moses, and take the focus off of Christ, by whom grace and truth came by. |
Love and keeping of the commandments are the same thing.
Jesus Christ mentioned love in the same breath as the keeping of the commandments.
John 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
1 John 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
Satan's objective is to make the Christ reject keeping the commandments in favor of professing love for God.
ONLY the true Christian understands that love for God involves keeping ALL the commandments. |
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eleven
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| SilverSurfer wrote: |
1)Satan's objective is to make the Christ reject keeping the commandments in favor of professing love for God.
2) ONLY the true Christian understands that love for God involves keeping ALL the commandments. |
1) What??? You're gonna have to explain that one.
2)No, a true Christian realizes why the commandments were put in place to begin with. |
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atoz
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| Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 4:28 pm Post subject: Re: Too Much Emphasis on God's Love ? |
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| Silver Surfer wrote: |
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Christ as God made the ULTIMATE Sacrifice for mankind.
He could have let Adam & Eve die then and there
BUT, He was willing to die the eternal death in their place.
The Absolute expression of Love ! |
Ok. So God proves his Love to you when he sacrifices for you.
So how does God prove his Love to you when he makes NO sacrifice for you?
And what does God mean when he says that he would rather have Mercy/Love than sacrifice?
Would you think that God loved you if he had not sacrificed JC for you?
Just trying to encourage you.
In the Love that is the first sacrfice before any other sacrifice and without any other sacrifice,
Atoz |
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pato
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| Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 5:43 am Post subject: Re: Too Much Emphasis on God's Love ? |
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| eleven wrote: |
Cause the 10 commandments makes people look at themselves which can be a very uncomfortable feeling.
It's easier to ignore them - then maybe they'll go away.
But what people don't understand is, God did not give us the 10 commandments in order to stop us from hurting Him; He gave them to us in order to stop us from hurting ourselves. |
And from hurting others. |
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Ardnassdac
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| Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 12:32 am Post subject: |
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| atoz wrote: | How does God prove His Love for you?
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God dosn't have to prove his love for you. It's all about trust and belief. We are told God loves us all. And you either believe it or you dont. I can tell you I love you, whether you believe it or not is your choice. God must love us all in order to love just one of us and to love himself. So God loves all, even those who do not believe in this.
| SS wrote: | | ONLY the true Christian understands that love for God involves keeping ALL the commandments. |
Christinas may believe this, however, how many people actually stick to them all. I am only 16 years old, and have broken at least half. It is ALMOST impossible to follow all 10. Especially if you are not brought up with them. However, this does not mean we should all just give up. The Ten Commandments are not just set out for Christians, they apply to all people, they are not religious rules, they are life rules. They are what is right, what is good, and what is fair. So no.. It is not 'ONLY the true Christian' that understands this. I am not a true Christian. Me and my mother were kicked out of the church when I was born out of wedlock. So I'm far from. However I understand this. Very well!
| Eleven wrote: | | 2)No, a true Christian realizes why the commandments were put in place to begin with. |
Again here, not only the true Christian realises why these were put in place. They are what is right, what else is there to understand? I see that some people do not understand this, some people kill and do other things that are to disterbing to even think about. However, the majority of people, follow a good, respectable life. The only thing people lack, is love.
| atoz wrote: | | And what does God mean when he says that he would rather have Mercy/Love than sacrifice? |
I believe that God means that if you'd rather have sacrifice, where do you stop. So you kill all the people who have sinned. How do you choose which sins you should die for, and which you should live. Is it our choice, or Gods choice to take life away? Is capital punishment going against Gods power? Is suicide an insult to God, as you are saying you know whens best for you to die?
Also I think that God believes more in mercy and love, because he loves everything, and everyone, no matter what they do. Taking this into consideration, does God still love the people that go to 'hell'??
| atoz wrote: | | Would you think that God loved you if he had not sacrificed JC for you? |
Yes, he would. However, if God had not sacrificed Jesus, the tale would not be as big as it is. If Jesus would have died of natural causes, would the religion be as big as it is? Would people question Gods love more??
Love is the most valuable thing in the world
Dont question it
Ardy
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nana
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To SS,
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| Quote: | | BUT, He was willing to die the eternal death in their place. |
Christ did not die the eternal death, He rose again!
In Christ, Judy |
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eleven
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| Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 2:52 pm Post subject: Re: Too Much Emphasis on God's Love ? |
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| pato wrote: | | eleven wrote: |
Cause the 10 commandments makes people look at themselves which can be a very uncomfortable feeling.
It's easier to ignore them - then maybe they'll go away.
But what people don't understand is, God did not give us the 10 commandments in order to stop us from hurting Him; He gave them to us in order to stop us from hurting ourselves. |
And from hurting others. |
Yes, that's what I meant.......ourselves - people in general. Not just individuals. |
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eleven
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| Ardnassdac wrote: |
However, if God had not sacrificed Jesus,
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 Uhhh......could you run this by me again please? |
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