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atoz
Emperor of the Solar System
Joined: 28 Jun 2007
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 Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 5:58 am Post subject: |
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| P1234567890 wrote: |
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I am just WAAAAAAAAAAY more scientifically mindsetted than you are
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No, you really aren't.
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atoz: aha? Well it takes one to know one!
I tkink you are so scientific!
So what does that make me?smile
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in terms of verifying as AE and BS and CS wd have done!
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That's interesting; where do you think Einstein and Sagan sat on the evolution issue? Hint: You can watch Sagan's biochem buddy at Cornell doing a more sophisticated version of the Miller-Urey experiment in Cosmos. |
atoz: Let me get AE & BP on the net to answer you personally: we have that kinda realtionship, do AE, BP and me!smile
"What has perhaps been overlooked
[ in that experiment, due to irrational hatred of the irrational and masses of information and etc]
is
the irrational,
the inconsistent,
the droll,
even the insane,
which nature, inexhaustibly operative, implants into the individual, seemingly for her own amusement. These things are singled out only in the crucible of one's own mind."
Albert Einstein
"Love has reasons which reason [based on Hate of any reason or any fact or any word] cannot understand [or see and therefore is blind to]."
Blaise Pascal
Your motion, as BP wd say!smile
One more:
"The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the ability to function."
F. Scott Fitzgerald
How do you rate yourself on opposites?smile
in the humility & sanity of Love for the sane and insane, the arrogant and the humble, the imaginative and the unimaginative, and all pairs of opposite words or ideas,
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P1234567890
Emperor of the Universe
Joined: 11 Mar 2006
Posts: 6772
Location: Toronto, Canada
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| Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 7:03 am Post subject: |
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| atoz wrote: |
"What has perhaps been overlooked
[ in that experiment, due to irrational hatred of the irrational and masses of information and etc]
is
the irrational,
the inconsistent,
the droll,
even the insane,
which nature, inexhaustibly operative, implants into the individual, seemingly for her own amusement. These things are singled out only in the crucible of one's own mind."
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And do you know what Einstein was talking about here? Hint: It wasn't evolution! He was an atheist!
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"Love has reasons which reason [based on Hate of any reason or any fact or any word] cannot understand [or see and therefore is blind to]."
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First of all, Pascal lived well before the theory of evolution was developed, and secondly he certainly understood the evils of the excesses of religion.
And what about Carl Sagan? It seems you forgot to 'quote him on evolution'.
Atoz, I'm about to tell you a FACT, and I really want you to pay attention:
The people who are experts in science are called scientists. Scientists make up what is called the 'scientific community' or 'scientific mainstream'. They publish their work in journals and conference proceedings.
Now here is the fact: If you were to survey all of the members of the scientific community (and especially the relevant ones), they would *overwhelmingly* agree that evolution is true.
The people most qualified to do science agree with evolution, and the people who disagree with evolution are almost all non-scientists. What does that tell you? |
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atoz
Emperor of the Solar System
Joined: 28 Jun 2007
Posts: 4189
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| Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 8:15 am Post subject: |
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| P1234567890 wrote: |
| atoz wrote: |
"What has perhaps been overlooked
[ in that experiment, due to irrational hatred of the irrational and masses of information and etc]
is
the irrational,
the inconsistent,
the droll,
even the insane,
which nature, inexhaustibly operative, implants into the individual, seemingly for her own amusement. These things are singled out only in the crucible of one's own mind."
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And do you know what Einstein was talking about here? Hint: It wasn't evolution! He was an atheist!
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atoz: do you know what an Axiom or Universal Constant is?
A principle that applies comprehensively to ALL situations!
smile
| P1234567890 wrote: |
| atoz wrote: |
"Love has reasons which reason [based on Hate of any reason or any fact or any word] cannot understand [or see and therefore is blind to]."
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First of all, Pascal lived well before the theory of evolution was developed, and secondly he certainly understood the evils of the excesses of religion.
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atoz; do you know what an Axiom or Universal Constant is?
A principle that applies comprehensively to ALL situations!
smile
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And what about Carl Sagan? It seems you forgot to 'quote him on evolution'.
Atoz, I'm about to tell you a FACT, and I really want you to pay attention:
The people who are experts in science are called scientists. Scientists make up what is called the 'scientific community' or 'scientific mainstream'. They publish their work in journals and conference proceedings.
Now here is the fact: If you were to survey all of the members of the scientific community (and especially the relevant ones), they would *overwhelmingly* agree that evolution is true.
The people most qualified to do science agree with evolution, and the people who disagree with evolution are almost all non-scientists. What does that tell you? |
atoz: P123, you are like a kid who takes security in the fact that so many adults believe so too!
What about you?
Wd you change if they ALL gave up on Evolution?
What about all the people who thought the world was flat?
Cd u imagine CC or AE saying:
Oh well, the overwhelming majority of the scientists in the known world believes that the world is flat! No use going over the deep end over this, guys.
ok?
Queen, here are your P and N and SM back to you!
Heya, let's go fishing!
Deal!
sigh
Take the road less traveled!
ThiMk!
with The Principle of Love that loves and so applies itself to all words and therefore to all situations expressed in words, which are all situations,smile
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The Barbarian
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Joined: 24 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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If even a significant percentage of biologists denied evolution, it would seriously shake my confidence in the theory, even if I continued to think it was the best explanation for life's diversity.
But that isn't likely to happen, given the evidence. |
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P1234567890
Emperor of the Universe
Joined: 11 Mar 2006
Posts: 6772
Location: Toronto, Canada
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| Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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| The Barbarian wrote: | If even a significant percentage of biologists denied evolution, it would seriously shake my confidence in the theory, even if I continued to think it was the best explanation for life's diversity.
But that isn't likely to happen, given the evidence. |
And in fact, virtually NO professional biologists deny evolution... The people who understand science say that it's fact. |
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rufus
Big Goldfish
Joined: 22 Sep 2007
Posts: 65
Location: USA
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| Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 10:12 am Post subject: |
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In the mid 1990s I read "Shattering the Myths Darwinism" by Richard Milton. In chapter 18 Milton documents the rise and fall of Java Man...... here's the story:
In 1868 Ernst Haeckel predicted that a speechless ape-man, pithecanthropus, would be found somewhere between Madagascar and Indonesia. Then in 1887 a Dutch anatomist, Eugene Dubois, set sail for the Dutch colony of Java to search for Pithecanthropus. Dubois was given convict workers to do the excavations. Dubois didn't do any digging and didn't record the exact locations of the digs. The convicts simpy delivered about 10,000 cubic meters of sediments to his house in Java where he sifted through and found a tooth, a piece of skullcap, and a leg bone. Dubois had discovered Pithecanthropus erectus, upright ape-man, more commonly known as "Java Man".
Needless to say, Java Man is no longer considered evidence for evolution. But it was for nearly a century. |
| P1234567890 wrote: |
This is false. Java Man is no longer considered to be one of our ancestors, but is DEFINITELY still an excellent example for evolution. |
An excellent example for evolution? Do tell! If Milton reported this correctly then Java Man is about half a step above Nebraska Man.
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Dubois had persuaded the government to allow him to carry out a complete paleontological survey of Java under his full time supervision. He was given convict workers to carry out the excavations and military personnel to supervise the digging. Dubois himself, however, did not participate in the fieldwork and contended himself with examining each season's find on the veranda of his house where they were periodically delivered by the convict crew.
In 1891 Dubois made two important finds amongst the bones dumped on his veranda. The fossils were a tooth and a scullcap which had been found a month apart in the same fossiliferous bed but in locations that were not known exactly because no one was recording the finds.
~Shattering the Myths of Darwinism, chap 18~ |
Is that right!? "No one was recording the finds"! "Convict workers (convicts!) did the excavations! And this is an excellent example of evidence for evolution! For all we know some convict could have thrown a piece of bone in the dirt pile in hopes of Dubois finding it and then cancelling the digs so that the prisoner could get out of his work detail!
And they put Java Man in students science books for the next 80 years! Yes, an excellent example for evolution! Bene! |
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FFT
Emperor of the Galaxy
Joined: 26 Mar 2005
Posts: 5846
Location: Memphis
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| Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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| rufus wrote: | | You mean people like Michael Behe, author of "Edge of Evoution", who has a Ph.D. in Biology |
You meant "a B.S. in chemistry and a PH.D in biochemistry," right?
| rufus wrote: | | author of "Icons of Evolution", who also has a Ph.D. in biology? |
You mean "a Ph.D. in Religious Studies and a Ph.D. in molecular and cell biology," right?
| rufus wrote: | | Is that what you mean? |
Is that what you meant? Just because a degree has "bio-" in it doesn't mean it can be honestly classed as "a Ph.D. in biology." |
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rufus
Big Goldfish
Joined: 22 Sep 2007
Posts: 65
Location: USA
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| Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 2:51 pm Post subject: |
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Bene! = Latin for excellent.
Sorry about that FFT. You must have thought I wrote Behe! My eyesight ain't as good as it once was either. |
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FFT
Emperor of the Galaxy
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Posts: 5846
Location: Memphis
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| Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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What?
Look at what I quoted.
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