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Dust
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 Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:26 pm Post subject: Why I like being a Jehovah's Witness |
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I found this at another site. It appears to contain some insider insight. I found it interesting, so I am reposting it here.....
| Quote: | There are so many reasons why I like being a Jehovahs's Witness.
1. We get to count time when we share our faith with nonbelievers or our young children.
2. We don't have to go to college to get a good job as a janitor or a window washer.
3. We get to celebrate the birth of a child but not the anniversary of the birth.
4. We don't pass a collection plate at our meetings and we get to put in our wills that when we die that our house, CD's, jewelery, life insurance, and cash can go the the Watchtower Society so that our family doesn't have to worry about those things.
5. We don't have to be with our families during the holidays to enjoy each other company and eat the cookies, turkey, ham, pies, and other such food.
6. Because we are the only true Christians on earth, we do not have the problems that other churches have with broken up families, adultery, fornication, pedophiles, over drinking, and gossip.
7. We don't have to worry about giving the poor and needy in our community food, clothing and shelter because we give them the Truth which will enable them to live forever in a paradise earth.
8. We have God speaking to us thru the Faithful and Discreet Slave and thru the Watchtower.
9. We will get to live in Paradise where there will be no cars, TV's, computors, radio's, theaters, washing machines, clothes dryers, refrigerators, stoves, airplanes. electric lights, or malls to buy or clothes.
10. We get to go every year to a summer District Assemly vacation at the same city every year and have a picnic at our seats during the sessions and then stay at the fine hotels that we are told to go to.
11. We know the true meaning of the words soon, near, very soon, very near, so close, just around the corner, shortly, and near future.
12. We don't have to worry about getting old or having a retirement plan.
Now I hope you can begin to understand why I like being a Jehovah's Witness. |
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TBax
King of the Jungle
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 4:18 am Post subject: |
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Accidental repeat of the folowing. 
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TBax
King of the Jungle
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 4:18 am Post subject: |
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Each of those points is twisted. They mostly are a slam against the truth as found in the Bible.
i.e.
| Dust wrote: | | 9. We will get to live in Paradise where there will be no cars, TV's, computors, radio's, theaters, washing machines, clothes dryers, refrigerators, stoves, airplanes. electric lights, or malls to buy or clothes. |
All those conclusions are speculative. We don't know what kind of conviences we will have in the paradise. But even if we have none of those things, so what?????????????????
| Dust wrote: | | 6. Because we are the only true Christians on earth, we do not have the problems that other churches have with broken up families, adultery, fornication, pedophiles, over drinking, and gossip. |
Direct lie. Jesus showed that being a Christian would be a source of broken families in some instances. Also we are all sinnful. Even the first century Christians were and had to deal with people that commited gross sins, even disfellowshiping them when necessary. However, because we follow the scripture in this, we have the cleanest organization on earth! Is it perfect? No. We won't have that until the paradise when Jesus applies the value of his sacrifice to us.
| Dust wrote: | | 2. We don't have to go to college to get a good job as a janitor or a window washer. |
That is true of all people. A slam against honest work! Lame! 
| Dust wrote: | | 5. We don't have to be with our families during the holidays to enjoy each other company and eat the cookies, turkey, ham, pies, and other such food. |
There is nothing wrong with being with our families. There is something wrong with celebrating pagan holidays with a "Christian" facade.
Interesting insite from an apostate that is totally twisted and willing to lie. Of coarse you soaked it up as truth, Dust. Lame! |
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atoz
Emperor of the Solar System
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| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 6:37 am Post subject: |
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Dust!
I love being a JW because I love myself as all JWs, with or without any benefits!
Deut 7:7-8.
with the Love that makes me, as an honorary JW, better than any JW who hates any JW or any non-JW, smile
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atoz
Emperor of the Solar System
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| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 6:47 am Post subject: |
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| TBax wrote: |
Each of those points is twisted.
They mostly are a slam against the truth as found in the Bible.
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Interesting insite from an apostate that is totally twisted and willing to lie. Of coarse you soaked it up as truth, Dust. Lame! |
Hi TBax,
What do you mean twisted?
Twisted by Hatred for no JWs?
If so, wd I not be even more twisted and apostate for hating twisters and the twisted and the apostate?
Mt 23:15
with the Love that twists everything straight in Love for the twisted and twisters, smile
atoz, |
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Zathrus
King Kong
Joined: 28 Aug 2002
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Location: WI USA
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| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 8:12 am Post subject: |
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Har har. 
While some of those items overstate the point, I get it.
As to item number 6, I think it makes an excellent point. In the past I have been a member of churches which thought that they had a special revelation and annointing because they were more sold out to God than all the other Christians out there. They thought that this teaching or practice of theirs that distinguished them from all the other Christians made them better able to live a holy, godly, morally pure life. So of course they believed that they were more holy not only than the unbelievers out there, but than all the other Christians.
But over time, they all exhibited the same problems, failures, and struggles that we all go through. Probably more, in fact, because of the intense religious pressure that they put on themselves to be holier than everyone else. I learned that people are people. There is no religious organization that produces "Super Saints" who are superior morally and spiritually to everyone else. They're all just people the same as you or I.
In fact, the very fact that some join religious organizations that claim to be able to make them holier than everyone else is evidence that we're all just people, for the desire to be better than others is part of our human nature. It's part of our lower nature, it's not noble or admirable, but it is human. |
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TBax
King of the Jungle
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 10:15 am Post subject: |
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Zathrus,
If a persons goal is to be better then others they already missed the point.  However the true congregation does assist people in becoming "better" (more pleasing to God) morally and spiritually. It is up to the individuals to apply the council they are given, and not all will. It is clear however that the first century congregation did assist people to become better people.
1 Cor 6:9 What! Do YOU not know that unrighteous persons will not inherit God’s kingdom? Do not be misled. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men kept for unnatural purposes, nor men who lie with men, 10 nor thieves, nor greedy persons, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit God’s kingdom. 11 And yet that is what some of YOU were.
That is what some of them WERE!
Paul showed that if some would still practice such gross sin after recieving accurate knowledge they were to be removed from the congregation to keep it clean.
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atoz,
Hi,
| atoz wrote: | | What do you mean twisted? |
I mean lies or half truths. The person who wrote that obviously isn't a Jehovah's Witness. They perhaps were at one time, but it is obvious that list was facetious and doesn't represent how true JW's feel or think.
For instance: | Quote: | | 7. We don't have to worry about giving the poor and needy in our community food, clothing and shelter because we give them the Truth which will enable them to live forever in a paradise earth. |
Total lie. Although the truth is the most valuable thing people can have it doesn't mean we neglect helping the poor or disadvantaged. As a matter of fact I personally know many brothers and sisters who volunteered their time and money to assist in the rebuilding in the area effected by Hurricane Katrina.
That list is a twisted effort to smear JW's.
| atoz wrote: | | If so, wd I not be even more twisted and apostate for hating twisters and the twisted and the apostate? |
I am not sure what you just said. Pointing out twisted points isn't showing hatred. Not going along with apostates isn't showing hatred.
Matt 15:7 YOU hypocrites, Isaiah aptly prophesied about YOU, when he said, 8 ‘This people honors me with their lips, yet their heart is far removed from me.
Did Jesus hate those ones?
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Luvnlife
Lion King
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Location: US
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| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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Do JW's give to the poor & needy in their own small communities though?
Luv |
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TBax
King of the Jungle
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| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 3:30 pm Post subject: |
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luvnlife,
Hi,
Personally, my family regularly donates to the federation of the blind. If we personally see someone in need physically we assist if we can. For instance, my father took a street person for a meal at a cafe.  Where I live I don't run across many in need like that. I do visit people in nursing homes to try to brighten their day and assist them.
Prov 19:17 He that is showing favor to the lowly one is lending to Jehovah, and his treatment He will repay to him.
We understand this, however balance is needed.
Jesus focus was on spiritual food, and so is ours. Even though we assist where we can we cannot solve the worlds problems but God's kingdom will. So the majority of our efforts is toward that solution. |
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Luvnlife
Lion King
Joined: 22 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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I guess the reason I asked is that my family was part of the JW clan for quite some time.
I don't ever recall the congregation reaching out to others in the community or doing anything to benefit anyone outside the confines of the Kingdom Hall.
Yes, admittedly, they are supportive to a degree of one another but there are always the hungry among us. There are always those who are sick and in need among us. I am glad that JW's are supportive of the church but part of the reason, in my opinion, they do not have more influence on others is that they are not very good at reaching out and touching those in need outside their inner circle. If that's untrue then it's unfortunate because I believe that this is the perception of many.
I think this is part of the reason why people see JW's as a cult too. I'm not saying that is my perception but I've heard the words Jehovahs Witnesses & cult bantered about in the same sentence many times.
Just my observations....
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Dust
Growing Lion
Joined: 10 Sep 2004
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Location: All over the western U.S.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Zathrus wrote: | Har har.
While some of those items overstate the point, I get it. |
Yes Zathrus, the posting is a bit humorous.........but painfully so. I image the person who wrote it is a young teenage JW, who probably really sees no way out. This posting is his or her way of expressing their true feelings. Perhaps some of the items were indeed overstated as you point out, but I think that the sad truth in these is ever so glaring.
Here are some of the replies to that posting......
| Quote: | | Add to #11: "Rapidly Approaching." |
| Quote: | All so true!
But this one made me laugh out loud:
11. We know the true meaning of the words soon, near, very soon, very near, so close, just around the corner, shortly, and near future |
| Quote: | We are definetely blessed, aren't we? Who needs more in life when so much is provided for us.
Thanks for the reminders |
| Quote: | Don't have the stress of competing for high paying jobs.
Don't have to try to figure what are the best long term investments.
Don't have to plan for retirement, cuz the end will come before then. |
| Quote: | | Add a very sad note to #6: ...and when cases of pedophilia arise, the WT has the money to silence the victims. |
| Quote: | Very well done indeed! You had us in suspense with a twist in the title that catches you off guard. Is laughable and sad at the same time if you get my drift. For sure I'll be printing this off.
Thankyou |
| Quote: | OBVES wrote: "You may not know what the individuals from the Watchtower are doing privately in their lives."
You're absolutely correct, OBVES. That's why a JW pedophile scandal has finally been discovered and the WTS must pay to hush it up. That's why a Bethelite was recently arrested for attempting to molest boys. It looks like there's a lot of things JWs "are doing privately in their lives." The light truly is becoming brighter and brighter. |
| Quote: | Obves....
the early Bible students may have been sincere truth seekers in the beginning.
There is NO salvation in an organized religion. It will not save you from anything.
Jesus said "my yoke is light". WTS wields a NOOSE.
Jesus said "no one comes to the Father but through ME." There is NEVER any mention to obey some mythical FDS. That was only a parable...an example of something to get across an idea. Like the story of the ants and the grasshopper.
There is no such thing as a "true religion". Religion is a snare and a racket. remember? WTS told you that from the beginning.
Spirituality is an individual thing. It all hinges on your own communication and appreciation of your Creator. Jesus is the mediator for every indivual that seeks him. (Not some fictious elite group as per WTS teaching)
There is something very sinister behind the WTS.
You will know this in due time if you believe the promise that there is nothing hidden that will not be revealed.
That is what the end times is all about.
Pulling back the curtain. Revealing the truth behind all religions and governments that have lied to people and misled them.
This is why you cannot depend on the dictates of some organization.
I so wish that you could think for yourself Obves, and listen to your conscience instead of being spooked by the fears that the WTS promotes. |
| Quote: | Suppose all these folks in the Watchtower have a very detrimental life record in their private lives . It is still not addressing the most important issue here. The Watchtower's teachings still surpass the teachings of any other religious organization.
They hold the best apple ( just to better visualize the matter ) and they give it to others . Would I not take that apple from somebody who you think is a robber or a child molester and eat it ? |
| Quote: | That was very good. You made me smile.
Obves:
"Would I not take that apple from somebody who you think is a robber or a child molester and eat it ?"
I doubt I'd take an apple from a robber, and definitely not from a child molester. |
These postings appear to be from young JW insiders who are discussing these things amongst themselves. My feeling is that though they can see the deception, most see no way out of the JW organization. Although, there are some glimers of light/hope. |
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Luvnlife
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| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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| TBax wrote: | | Jesus focus was on spiritual food, and so is ours. Even though we assist where we can we cannot solve the worlds problems but God's kingdom will. So the majority of our efforts is toward that solution. |
No, that's not true. Jesus led by example. He gave all of himself to us. He helped the poor and afflicted. He admonished us to be charitable and giving. Remember what he said: (Matt 25:34-40):
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
Remember 1 Cor chapter 13? Paul was emphatic about the importance of being charitable and in fact, would not have survived in his mission were it not for the charitable acts of others.
I think it's pretty clear that Jesus expects more from us than to simply prophesy.
Luv |
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TBax
King of the Jungle
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 5:04 am Post subject: |
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luvnlife,
The main purpose of the congregation is to preach about the kingdom and teach from the Bible. When individual Witnesses help others physically you won't alway know about it.
Matt 6:3 But you, when making gifts of mercy, do not let your left hand know what your right is doing, 4 that your gifts of mercy may be in secret; then your Father who is looking on in secret will repay you.
| luvnlife wrote: | | TBax wrote: | | Jesus focus was on spiritual food, and so is ours. Even though we assist where we can we cannot solve the worlds problems but God's kingdom will. So the majority of our efforts is toward that solution. |
No, that's not true. Jesus led by example. |
No, that is true. Jesus focus was on spiritual help. If what you are saying is true Jesus could have allowed them to make him king and he could have solved all their problems. But the solution was for the future and Jesus knew this. Yes Jesus led by example yet his focus was on the kingdom, as that is why he was sent forth. Jesus healings and feeding of people was wonderful, however Jesus wasn't know as the great healer or humanitarian, but the great teacher (rabbi). Although we do help the needy our focus is not on solving the worlds problems but teaching about the kingdom, that will solve all problems.
Luke 4:43 But he said to them: “Also to other cities I must declare the good news of the kingdom of God, because for this I was sent forth.”
Matt 25 is speaking about Jesus' brothers. Where ever they are deficient we assist. Right now they are small in number and need our assistance to preach around the earth.
| luvnlife wrote: | | I think it's pretty clear that Jesus expects more from us than to simply prophesy. |
No doubt. The truth effects our entire life, including helping others. Proper balance will help us focus on what is most important.
Matt 28:19 Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations,
Matt 24:14 And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come. |
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TBax
King of the Jungle
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 5:18 am Post subject: |
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| Dust wrote: | | 9. We will get to live in Paradise where there will be no cars, TV's, computors, radio's, theaters, washing machines, clothes dryers, refrigerators, stoves, airplanes. electric lights, or malls to buy or clothes. |
All those conclusions are speculative. We don't know what kind of conviences we will have in the paradise. But even if we have none of those things, so what?????????????????
Are those items more important then the truth in God's word. Jesus taught his followers to keep their eye simple.
1 John 2:15 Do not be loving either the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him; 16 because everything in the world—the desire of the flesh and the desire of the eyes and the showy display of one’s means of life—does not originate with the Father, but originates with the world. 17 Furthermore, the world is passing away and so is its desire, but he that does the will of God remains forever.
That list is nothing but a slam against the truth as found in the Bible. Dust, by you posting this you are fighting against the truth in God's word as well. |
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Zathrus
King Kong
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 6:17 am Post subject: |
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| TBax wrote: | It is clear however that the first century congregation did assist people to become better people.
1 Cor 6:9 What! Do YOU not know that unrighteous persons will not inherit God’s kingdom? Do not be misled. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men kept for unnatural purposes, nor men who lie with men, 10 nor thieves, nor greedy persons, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit God’s kingdom. 11 And yet that is what some of YOU were.
That is what some of them WERE!
Paul showed that if some would still practice such gross sin after recieving accurate knowledge they were to be removed from the congregation to keep it clean.
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TBax,
The apostles helped the early church remain morally pure by simply giving them a list of things not to do? Perhaps you have not been around very long but this approach has been proven not to work. In fact the more sin conscious a person is, focusing on doing everything right and not mis-stepping, the more power the temptation to do wrong has over them.
Furthermore, I do not see from the verse you quoted how this shows that Paul was saying that anyone who receives "acurate" knowlege and gets caught up in any of those faults was to be excommunicated. In fact, Paul was saying something almost completely opposite. |
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