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pastor2022
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 Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 1:39 pm Post subject: Letting People Be Themselves |
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Letting People Be Themselves
In God I have put my trust;
I will not be afraid.
What can man do to me?
Psalm 56:11
The more we trust God's perfection, the better we can deal with human imperfection. There is no other healthy way to survive life in a broken world. Nothing short of divine love can equip us to love others as we should, for it is our security in God's perfect love that makes it safe to love those who are not perfect. Without the God who gave them, the laws of love would be difficult and dangerous indeed.
When our complete trust is in God, we're not as vulnerable to the disappointments that arise in our dealings with others. We can be authentically patient and forbearing. We still deeply hurt when others fail us, to be sure, and it's not right to pretend otherwise. But in our hurt, we are able to view this truth from a much larger perspective. When our earthly "treasures" are threatened, we don't react as we would if these were our only treasures.
To the measure that we have confidence in God's power to accomplish His purposes in His own way, we'll not be driven by the urge to "control" what takes place around us and to keep certain things from happening. "As your faith is strengthened you will find that there is no longer the need to have a sense of control, that things will flow as they will, and that you will flow with them, to your great delight and benefit" (Emmanuel).
When we have entrusted the fulfillment of our deepest needs to God, we won't look to other human beings to provide us with more than they can provide. Our expectations of others will be more realistic when we see God as the only Source of what we most deeply need. Secure in His love, we'll not place on anyone else the impossible burden of loving us perfectly.
It should also be said, however, that trust in God's perfection frees us to see our own limitations in a better way. Pride is, after all, a very tiresome, unproductive thing, and the humble recognition that we are not God is not confining; it is empowering. We'll do a better job of being human beings when we quit trying to do God's work and focus on the duties that are truly our own.
"Faith enables persons to be persons because it lets God be God."
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wilber
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At 50 years of age, these are things that I am only just beginning to learn (I hope) and it is all by God's grace but I am experiencing a release, a freedom which I have never known.
Thank you once again pastor2022
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atoz
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| Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 7:02 pm Post subject: Re: Letting People Be Themselves |
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| pastor2022 wrote: | Letting People Be Themselves
In God I have put my trust;
I will not be afraid.
What can man do to me?
Psalm 56:11
The more we trust God's perfection, the better we can deal with human imperfection.
There is no other healthy way to survive life in a broken world.
Nothing short of divine love can equip us to love others as we should, for it is our security in God's perfect love that makes it safe to love those who are not perfect. Without the God who gave them, the laws of love would be difficult and dangerous indeed.
When our complete trust is in God, we're not as vulnerable to the disappointments that arise in our dealings with others. We can be authentically patient and forbearing.
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When we have entrusted the fulfillment of our deepest needs to God, we won't look to other human beings to provide us with more than they can provide. Our expectations of others will be more realistic when we see God as the only Source of what we most deeply need. Secure in His love, we'll not place on anyone else the impossible burden of loving us perfectly.
It should also be said, however, that trust in God's perfection frees us to see our own limitations in a better way.
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"Faith enables persons to be persons because it lets God be God."
Carter Lindberg |
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Awesome, as per usual, P2022!
Thank you, Sir!smile
with Love and R,
atoz |
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lone-traveler
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| Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 1:14 am Post subject: |
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speaking of perfection and imperfections...
I found out a few months ago my grandson is autistic.
I really don't know much about this. My daughter has her hands full that's for sure.
I talk to her a couple times a month. I see them maybe once or twice a year now.
I thought when he was about 3 that it was just lack of discipline. He was a bit wild and hadn't talked..just made sounds and noises. His outbursts were totally unruly. I tried to tell my daughter that she needed to be firmer with him..
ahh...little did we know at that time.
He is supposed to start kindergarten next year but he won't be able to join in with the "regular" crowd.
I guess the doc's say he is very sensitive to sounds and light..he has hmm..querks..like, if he gets any water, even a drop of water on his clothes, they have to come off. No ifs ands or buts about it. Or else he goes into a tirade. My daughter says he has no umm..like perception of fear or height. So he will jump off the table or sofa not considering the consequences. He's going to have a hard time adjusting in this world where if your not perfect like everyone else, then you take a lot of ridicule in this life.
Does anyone here have any experience with children with autism?
If you would care to share, it would be much appreciated.
He is seeing speech and behavioral specialists.
I don't know how to help my daughter in this situation, or how to "relate" or give advice or anything..
feeling kind of lost in the dark here.
But I know there's a reason for everything. And everything God creates is perfect in it's own way.
There's a blessing in this somewhere...just don't know how to see it at this time.
It very difficult on my daughter. I remember when I had problems I could call my mom and she would give me advice and help me through a lot of dilemmas. I feel like I'm letting my daughter down not being able to "help".
Thanks for this post pastor2022..it just seemed to fit with what I have been feeling for awhile.
Unconditional love in any capacity and for all circumstances, even when we don't understand why.
Hugs
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atoz
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| lone-traveler wrote: | speaking of perfection and imperfections...
I found out a few months ago my grandson is autistic.
I really don't know much about this. My daughter has her hands full that's for sure.
I talk to her a couple times a month. I see them maybe once or twice a year now.
I thought when he was about 3 that it was just lack of discipline. He was a bit wild and hadn't talked..just made sounds and noises. His outbursts were totally unruly. I tried to tell my daughter that she needed to be firmer with him..
ahh...little did we know at that time.
He is supposed to start kindergarten next year but he won't be able to join in with the "regular" crowd.
I guess the doc's say he is very sensitive to sounds and light..he has hmm..querks..like, if he gets any water, even a drop of water on his clothes, they have to come off. No ifs ands or buts about it. Or else he goes into a tirade. My daughter says he has no umm..like perception of fear or height. So he will jump off the table or sofa not considering the consequences. He's going to have a hard time adjusting in this world where if your not perfect like everyone else, then you take a lot of ridicule in this life.
Does anyone here have any experience with children with autism?
If you would care to share, it would be much appreciated.
He is seeing speech and behavioral specialists.
I don't know how to help my daughter in this situation, or how to "relate" or give advice or anything..
feeling kind of lost in the dark here.
But I know there's a reason for everything. And everything God creates is perfect in it's own way.
There's a blessing in this somewhere...just don't know how to see it at this time.
It very difficult on my daughter. I remember when I had problems I could call my mom and she would give me advice and help me through a lot of dilemmas. I feel like I'm letting my daughter down not being able to "help".
Thanks for this post pastor2022..it just seemed to fit with what I have been feeling for awhile.
Unconditional love in any capacity and for all circumstances, even when we don't understand why.
Hugs
Lone |
LT!
Sorry to hear!
Will be praying for all, especially for mom and gran'ma.
How old is he now?
Autism, like everything else, is caused either directly or indirectly by God for the following reasons which answer the why:
1. for us to love ourselves as autistic if we have not been also loving ourselves as all other words,
John 9:1-5 and ezekiel 23:28, 16:44-45,[the full verses are below so u won't have to go looking for tehm in that trruck!smile]
2. for us to show others how to handle it if we have already been also loving ourselves as all words.
Ps 34:17-19.
Here are the medical defs:
General:
Mental introversion in which the attention or interest is fastened upon the patient's ego.
A self-centered mental state from which reality tends to be excluded.
Infantile Autism:
A syndrome appearing in childhood with symptoms of self-absorption, inaccessability, aloneness, inability to relate, hightly repetitive play and rage reactions if interrupted, predilection for rhythmical movements, and many language disturbances.
Etiology: UNKNOWN
All that is saying from God's Perspective of Love is:
Mental introversion in which the attention or interest is fastened upon the patient's ego of loved words in Hate of all other egos.
A self-centered mental state of Hate for over 90% of words from which inner reality 90% of outer reality, as described by those hated words, tends to be excluded.
A syndrome of Hate, as taught by the mother mainly but by parents in general, appearing in childhood with symptoms of self-absorption in Hate of others, inaccessability in Hate of those who want access, aloneness in Hate of being with others,
inability to relate in Hate of others and in Hate of that inability, hightly repetitive play in Hate of unrepeats, and rage or anger-in-Hate of self as interrupted reactions if interrupted, predilection for rhythmical movement in Hate of spunds with no rhythm,
and many language disturbances all based on Hate of words by parents.
Etiology: UNKNOWN as in not wanting to be known as in 2 Peter 3:5.
Solution:
A baby must be told 'I love you' at all times
no matter what else is said
and no matter when anything else is said
and even when, especially even when nothing else is said.
As a 5-8 year old,
same as above but spelling it out as in:
I love you as A and I love A as you.
I love B as you and love you as B.
For the whole Alphabet.
If the kid already knows the Alphabet, fine,
the Alphabet routine wd be easier and shd still be followed.
Then for ALL the words he already knows:
I love me as toy and I love toy as me.
I love me as mom and love mom as me.
I love me as dad and dad as me.
Etc and etc and etc.
I love me crying.
I love me moisy.
I love me as bad.
I love me as good.
I love me as autistic.
I love me as laughing.
I love me as alone.
I love me as each word the kid is in.
Hope that helps LT.
Notice how this is MAINLY for the ADULTS around that kid: why?
Adults can NOT teach this to any kid unless the adults FIRST believe it and teach it to who?themselves!
see?
Story to inspire you et alia:
Girl about 5 to Mom:
Mom, why do you always say 2 when I say one?
Mom:
What do you mean, darling?
When do I say 2 when you say one?
Girl: Mom, you always say it.
U always say I love you TOO
when I say I love you!
[Doesn't it make u tear up?]
It does me!]
The mom who told me that story learned this from that story:
'I was NOT telling my dtr that I love her enough and I was NOT saying first, evn tho I had first taught her to say 'I love you, mom!':
'I LOVE YOU!'
story done!
So if that mom shd say it to a physically healthy kid,
what about a kid who is at the very least a physically sick?
sigh
Carry on, Gran' ma: even in the remoteness of Washington State, your grandson's grandma is on the ball for him!
What does God say?
Grandkids are grandparents' delight?
Especially the delight of the Grandmothers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!smile
I know this is gonna be hard: share this with mom!smile
Praying in Love for you!
U are the key person is your family!
with the key-hug of Love for all the doors of all difficulties,
atoz
PS for you et alia, LT:
"There is
no difficulty that enough Love will not conquer,
no disease that enough Love will not heal,
no door that enough Love will not bridge,
no wall that enough Love will not throw down,
no sin that enough Love will not redeem...
It makes no difference
how deeply seated may be the trouble,
how hopeless the outlook,
how muddled the tangle,
how great the mistake.
A sufficient realization of Love will dissolve it all.
If only you could love enough,
you could be the happiest and most powerful being in the world..."
Emmet Fox.
And check this out:
Malachi 4:
5Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:
6And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.
REFERENCES:
John 9
1And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth.
2And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?
3Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.
4I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.
5As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.
Ezekiel 16:
44Behold, every one that useth proverbs shall use this proverb against thee, saying, As is the mother, so is her daughter.
45Thou art thy mother's daughter, that lotheth her husband and her children; and thou art the sister of thy sisters, which lothed their husbands and their children: your mother was an Hittite, and your father an Amorite.
Ezekiel 23:
28For thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will deliver thee into the hand of them whom thou hatest, into the hand of them from whom thy mind is alienated:
Psalm 34:
17The righteous cry, and the LORD heareth, and delivereth them out of all their troubles.
18The LORD is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit.
19Many are the afflictions of the righteous: but the LORD delivereth him out of them all.
2 Timothy 3:
12Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
2 Peter 3:
5For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
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pastor2022
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| Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 7:10 am Post subject: |
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| Hey, Lone! Good to talk with you and sorry about your grandson. Will definately pray for him and all of you. Autism is a difficult thing to deal with and can be very taxing on all involved. Takes a great deal of patience and love. May God's grace be with all of you. Love you dear friend! |
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lone-traveler
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| Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:30 am Post subject: |
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Thankyou pastor 2022,
atoz..Nick is 5 but the signs began to show when he was around 3. In truth..I couldn't wish for better parents than the ones he has. They are very patient...even in this situation. Much more than I think I would be.
My kids say they pick the battles..some things they just let go because otherwise every minute of every day would be a battle.
I try to just give as much love and support through the phone line as possible. And have given them the opportunity to hang out in florida for awhile and take a break. They are in new hampshire and right now the weather is kind of daunting.
My daughter is looking into home schooling so she can try to teach him at home what others learn in school.
In your descriptions atoz:
Infantile Autism:
A syndrome appearing in childhood with symptoms of self-absorption, inaccessability, aloneness, inability to relate, hightly repetitive play and rage reactions if interrupted, predilection for rhythmical movements, and many language disturbances...
this is in a nut shell.
My daughter says he lives in his own little world and very rarely interacts with them daily.
He is speaking a handful of words.
She tells me things like..
if he says something, he wants you to repeat it word for word. If you don't repeat it word for exact word..he flies off the handle and goes on a tirade. She calls it a melt-down.
She says she finally got him toilet trained but it was hell getting there.
I, well, this is all so new to me as I am on the road most the time and keeping touch is hard...timing..
she doesn't have a computer so it's not like e-mail..
Nick will take the phone and "hide" it. He knows how to unplug the cord from the wall..lol...
and he will dial a number and then just leave the phone somewhere...lol..
long distance seems to be his favorite dialing habit..
Theres this control factor too..like she tells me, if he stubs his toe by accident..he will have to deliberately go and stub his toe again..as much to say..I am in control and not the wall or chair he stubbed his toe on.
Same with everything..bang his head..
She told me the other day he butt-headed his teacher and she had to go to the hospital. She thought she had a broken nose..  luckily it wasn't.
Needless to say he was removed from the class..for the day.
anywhoo...another day another challenge..
thanks for your prayers and words..they help, they really do.
All my heart
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Diane
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| Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:48 am Post subject: |
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Dear lone,
Will be praying for all.
Much love and big hugs heading your way,
Di |
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lone-traveler
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| Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:50 am Post subject: |
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(((HUG)))
I felt that Diane!!
Thankyou so much..
all my heart
lone |
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atoz
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| Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 3:35 am Post subject: |
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| lone-traveler wrote: | Thankyou pastor 2022,
atoz..Nick is 5 but the signs began to show when he was around 3. In truth..I couldn't wish for better parents than the ones he has. They are very patient...even in this situation. Much more than I think I would be.
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thanks for your prayers and words..they help, they really do.
All my heart
lone |
Lt!
With those better parents,
he will be ok!
Praying in Love for them all.
with the Hug of all my Love,
atoz |
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