Hell as defined by Scripture.

lone-traveler · Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 7:15 am Post subject:

I had a dream last night. wasn't very comforting.

This valley of Hinnom, the plumbline, and the balance which are the scales of justice.
All of these things were "in" me.
The all consuming fire which is God's Holy Spirit..burning up those things which are impure and bringing things to light hidden in places that are so deep and dark.

The plumbline is like a string that runs from head to toe. And the holy spirit..like a sphere..travels up and down this plumbline. And if it finds something that shouldn't be there..it like..envelopes it in it's fire until it is disolved.
But before this it's put in a scale and weighed.
Our thoughts, actions deeds, words..everything are tested and seperated.

The fire is in us..it's what keeps us alive while destroying the impurities out of us.

Paul says that in Adam all died..
there was no "fire" in him. No cleansing no purification.
But in Christ we are made alive..He is the very fire or life giving force which cleans us and purifies us and makes us whole.

I thought about this when I woke up this morning. Looking at the "BIG" picture.

That Adam is the whole human race which came from his seed. And we are all the seeds in Adam.
The whole world was dead.
The bible says..God was "in" Christ. This all consuming fire was in him, reconciling the world to himself.
By purging and purification of sins.
We are those seeds of sin that originated with Adam.
And die in Adam, and are made alive in Christ..
Because we are given to us individually this same "fire", this Holy Spirit..which goes throughout our bodies and minds purifying everything it finds as unholy or impure.

I know this may be somewhat off..seeing it is but a dream..
But if God is an all consuming fire, And God gives us His Holy Spirit which is Holy and pure, and this holy spirit is given to us to reside in us..
then we ourselves have the fire of God in us.
It's not that we go to hell, or a place of torment, rather, that place of torment or hell is in us. And we are only tormented by it because we are being purified.
And the more we fight against the fire, the hotter the fire becomes. So one ends up being consumed of itself because they won't submit to the cleasing.

Hbr 12:18 ¶ For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest,
Hbr 12:19 And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which [voice] they that heard intreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more:
Hbr 12:20 (For they could not endure that which was commanded, And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart:
Hbr 12:21 And so terrible was the sight, [that] Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake:)

Hbr 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
Hbr 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Hbr 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than [that of] Abel.
Hbr 12:25 ¶ See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more [shall not] we [escape], if we turn away from him that [speaketh] from heaven:
Hbr 12:26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.
Hbr 12:27 And this [word], Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
Hbr 12:28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:
Hbr 12:29 For our God [is] a consuming fire.

I see this mount Sion as the mountain on which God's Holy Spirit lit upon. And it was "outside" of them. But they couldn't come near it it was so Holy.
But Jesus says..

Mat 12:28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.
you don't have to go to the mountain..the mountain will come to you.. Shocked

Luk 11:20 But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.
picturing the dove landing on Jesus when he was baptised.

This one I think is interesting:

Luk 16:16 The law and the prophets [were] until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

if the way is narrow and strait, how is it that every man is pressing into it?
presseth:
biazō
1) to use force, to apply force
2) to force, inflict violence on

Luk 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
Luk 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

This Mount Sion, which is as a Holy all Consuming Spirit is within you.
It's not that we get thrown into the valley of Hinnom like, into it, but rather it comes down upon us and we are submersed in it.
The baptism of fire..ohhh..

But it's not a physical observation..you can't see it with your eyes..but it's upon you and around you and in you.

Lots of things coming to my mind this morning as I write this. Trying hard to keep it a reasonable length.

One more thought before I go.
The earth itself has a fire in the center of it and it has the sun upon it. If the fire within the earth were to "go out", then what would happen to the earth?
would it die?
Is this like when God removes his "spirit" from us, then the candle is put out. or like the candle has been melted till there is nothing left to burn..and returns to God who gave it, along with whatever things it purified within itself goes back to God who gave it?

dreams are funny things aren't they?
they make you think..
what's it all about alfie?

If you don't hear from me much..happy holidays..stay safe..keep warm.. Laughing

keep the love light burning.. Very Happy

so much to do and so little time..LOL..
Hugs
Lone

bitterlily · Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 11:40 pm Post subject:

bitterlily · Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 4:15 am Post subject:

Hi MoJo,

Hope you had a pleasant holiday! Very Happy

I was just reading over this study again to refresh my memory and was reminded of your comment here:

bitterlily · Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 6:56 am Post subject:

Hi Steven,

bitterlily · Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 7:07 am Post subject:

Dear Love,

I've been pondering more on the Valley of Hinnom tonight and I keep getting the impression from Scripture that it is of a different nature to the Consuming Fire of God's presence. Here are some of the verses and thoughts that come to my mind.

Firstly, the fact that the Valley of Hinnom is outside the gates of Jerusalem. Revelations tells us that the following are also outside the City:

For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and fornicators, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loves and makes a lie. Revelation 22:15

These same types of people are also described here:

But the fearful, and unbelieving (faithless), and the abominable, and murderers, and fornicators, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. Revelation 21:8

Take special note of the FEARFUL AND UNBELIEVING (or faithless) when reading these next verses:

There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear: because fear has to do with punishment. He that fears is not made perfect in love. 1 John 4:18

PERFECT LOVE casts out fear...

And we have known and believed the love that God has for us. GOD IS LOVE; and he that dwells in love dwells in God, and God in him. In this is our LOVE made PERFECT, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: BECAUSE as he is, so are we in this world. 1 John 4:16

He that fears is not made PERFECT in love...

But you are come unto mount Zion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, who are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made PERFECT, And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaks better things than that of Abel. Hebrews 12:22-24

The Spirits of Just men made PERFECT IN LOVE! The FEARFUL are outside the City and have not YET been made perfect in LOVE. I say not YET because even the Apostles were not PERFECTED in LOVE when they started:

And when the disciples saw him walking on the sea, they were troubled, saying, It is a spirit; and they cried out for FEAR. But immediately Jesus spoke unto them, saying, Be of good cheer; it is I; FEAR not. Matthew 14:26-27

Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for FEAR of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and said unto them, Peace be unto you. John 20:19

And great FEAR came upon ALL the church, and upon as many as heard these things. Acts 5:11

Something I should point out about the verse I mentioned earlier:

There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear: because fear has to do with punishment (KOLASIS). He that fears is not made perfect in love. 1 John 4:18

You might recall that I mentioned KOLASIS in another study. It is from the greek word KOLAZO which means:

KOLAZŌ

Thayer Definition:

1) to lop or prune, as trees and wings
2) to curb, check, restrain
3) to chastise, correct, punishment
4) to cause to be punished
Part of Speech: verb
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from kolos (dwarf)

Recall that John the Baptist said:

And now also the ax is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which brings not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Matthew 3:10

Also, recall that Jesus said that He was the true Vine (Tree) and His disciples were the Branches:

I am the vine, you are the branches: He that abides in me, and I in him, the same brings forth much fruit: for without me you can do nothing. John 15:5

The Apostle Paul also said that before we were branches of the Lord's Tree we were branches of another Tree:

For if you were cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and were grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, who are the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree? Romans 11:24

I need to go to bed now so I'll continue this tomorrow.
Lots of Love
Bitterlily

P.S. Just had a thought! Very Happy

The burning bush! The branches of the burning bush survive the fire, but those cut off are burned by fire? Same fire or different fire? Hmmmm....Either way they can be grafted back in again. Interesting! Wink

Good Night! Very Happy

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In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink. He that believes on me, as the scripture has said, out of his heart shall flow rivers of living water. Joh 7:37-38

As a lily among thorns, So is my love among the daughters. Son 2:2

bitterlily · Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 9:13 am Post subject: