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PostPosted: Thu Aug 28, 2003 4:57 pm    Post subject: Homosexual, Marriage?? Yes or No? Reply with quote

Homosexual, marriage, do you believe it should be allowed Question Question
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2003 11:09 am    Post subject: Re: Homosexual, Marriage?? Yes or No? Reply with quote

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Homosexual, marriage, do you believe it should be allowed Question Question


I believe it should be allowed, marriage is a certain protection under the law, it shouldn't discriminate against one couple that want to form a union with legal protection simply because they're of the same sex.
I don't care if a church won't accept such a marriage, but the state should not deny a couple marriage rights siply because of their sexual preference (And yes, we're talking about adult consenting people here, so don't thread onto a path that doesn't involve two consenting adults)
Any church is within it's rights to deny preforming a marriage between a same sex couple as they see fit, I'm absolutley fine with that. But the state should not (as it's supposed to be a secular structure) deny a homosexal couple equal protections under the law, compared to a heterosexual couple.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2003 11:13 am    Post subject: ?? Reply with quote

Fake, I got one question??
What if it was your son or daughter??
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2003 11:19 am    Post subject: Re: ?? Reply with quote

Nobby wrote:
Fake, I got one question??
What if it was your son or daughter??Nobby


What about it?
If it were, I'd support whatever choice they make as a companion. My love for my kids wouldn't be any less just because they would choose to engage in a same sex relationship, and I would defenitley start working for their rights to have equal protection under the law as I and my wife have.

Well, that is all hypothetical, as I'm not married, and I don't have children of my own. But I can't phatom that my love for my children would be any less just because of their sexual preference. If the choice of their sexual preference would change my love for my kids, did I really love them before? I would say not. If you don't have unconditional love for your children, it's not love Wink

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When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2003 11:38 am    Post subject: Homosexual, Marriage?? Yes or No? Reply with quote

Fake,
My love for my children will never change! I will always love them!
I could never love them any less Exclamation
Might wanna kill them tho! Very Happy Very Happy
Nobby


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2003 11:38 am    Post subject: Re: ?? Reply with quote

Nobby wrote:
Fake, I got one question??
What if it was your son or daughter??
Nobby


Heck, I'd still love them, would they choose to become christians Wink

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2003 11:46 am    Post subject: Homosexual, Marriage?? Yes or No? Reply with quote

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Heck, I'd still love them, would they choose to become christians

That would be good, then maybe they could work on you!! Laughing Laughing Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2003 10:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

how do I vote?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2003 10:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nevermind. I guess I wasn't logged on. That took care of it.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2003 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes. People need protection. It's spiteful to not permit it if one believes homosexuality is wrong.

The assertion it would harm heterosexual marriage is baseless. It would hardly affect it one way or another. Heterosexual marriage's biggest threat is divorce.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2003 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The idea I do not think is whether or not allowing homosexual marriage would affect heterosexual marriage, the matter is whether it will make our nation one in which God vomits from his mouth. I know the reference to vomiting from his mouth is used as one in which is lukewarm, neither hot nor cold, but the idea is the same. Think of all the time Israel because idolaters and practiced things which were not pleasing to God, what did God do? He punished them. Think of all the Pagan nations who did not worship God, and worshipped by means of sexual deviation and the such, what did God did, he destroyed them. If we allow our nation, one in which bears the name 'christian' in a sense to be associated with that of allowing that which God does not approve of, then we are asking for the Mighty Hand of God to reach down and judge us...BUT what do I know, people will probably come back and say, 'they're people to, (i agree) we shouldn't judge (non-christians) just let em alone, bla bla bla...and all that other dribble..."

Have fun with that one...

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Heterosexual marriage's biggest threat is divorce.


Amen, sister!!
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2003 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

it depends for i care not of mans laws.if they are married in a church or before God or asks Gods blessing in some way,i would consider this blastphemy.But if they are just married by mans law and not before God in any way,they are not really married it's only a peice of paper and a blessing of man.
God bless
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2003 9:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paul,
Right. And that's what homosexuals want. Equal protection under the law of the United States. Which, as of now, they do not have. So, if it's up to the church and they want approval from the church, well then that's going to be a battle that may not be worth fighting. But as American citizens, they should have the right to equal protection under the law, as recognized by the government of the United States. And the church should not have anything to say about it.

IMHO
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2003 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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BUT what do I know, people will probably come back and say, 'they're people to, (i agree) we shouldn't judge (non-christians) just let em alone, bla bla bla...and all that other dribble..."


Right, we're (non-christians) not people too. Please preach to us and turn us into superior humans such as yourself.

Reason #1 why I have a problem with christians (some, not all): It's not ok for others to have their own differing beliefs and ways of living.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2003 10:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Reason #1 why I have a problem with christians (some, not all): It's not ok for others to have their own differing beliefs and ways of living.


OK, so it's wrong for me to say that other ideas and philosophies are wrong, hence these are reasons why I do not follow or adhere to them. But it is not wrong, for you to say that my idea of not agreeing with other philosophies is wrong? You do not believe the Christian mindset that other beliefs are wrong, because you yourself decided that Christianity's viewpoint is wrong, did you not? But yet are you not practicing the same thing that you are preaching against. You say that I should accept everything as truth, or say that everything is true, or not say it is wrong, hence I should believe in everything, or not say that anything is wrong. So I cannot say that anything is truth, because in doing so I would have to say something is false. Yet it is allright for you to say that Christianity is false or wrong? Is that the rules of the Game?????


Reason #1 why I have a problem with an all accepting relativistic mindset, because there are truths and everything, by the sheer definition of what truth is, cannot be true.
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