God's Holy 7th Day Sabbath in Genesis

garfieldfan · Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 3:14 pm Post subject:

Just my 2 cents...

What about the pastor/preacher in the pulpit on Saturday or Sunday? Isn't he techinically working? I am not saying that he's not worshipping too, just that he is working. Smile

metothezero · Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 6:30 pm Post subject:

"BUT, BUT, God wrote it with his very own finger...we have to follow it exactly as the early Jews did...." Rolling Eyes

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Silver Surfer · Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2003 7:30 pm Post subject:

metothezero · Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2003 12:08 pm Post subject:

thunder · Lion King Joined: 13 Sep 2003 Posts: 1222

I wonder if the Jews of europe...would have chosen to go into bondage when Hitler took them hostage during the rise of the third reich?

I doubt it.

I wonder why gentiles lean so hard toward living by an old testament law when the words of Christ, as quoted in the Bible and the rest of the new testament stated by those who were called of God to write a book(s) depicting their faith in God and Christ, lean so hard toward making its meaning very, very clear," if any man or an angel attempts to teach you another gospel of Christ than the one which we have tought you, let him be accursed." Galatians 1:8

Where did the man of God get the knowledge of the gospel," the revelation of Jesus Christ." Galatians 1:12

Where does the word of God come from ( that is cover to cover )," holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Ghost." 2 Peter 1:20, 21

What about the old testament, how do we know that text came from God and the same Holy Ghost that Peter spoke of," of this salvation the prophets ( of God ) have inquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that would come to you ( us ), searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ, who was in them ( the Spirit of Christ was in the prophets of the old testament, i.e., the Holy Ghost ),was indicating when He testified beforehand about the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow." 1 Peter 1:10 - 12

So, after the old testament prophets searched the scripture, the Holy Ghost tought through revelation, the men of God preached and Christ himself testified that we are to," walk in the Spirit so that we will not satisfy the lust of the flesh." Galatians 5:16

Why would God give this information then say,' oh, and while you are doing all that, I want you to return to the law and follow it word for word?'

He didn't do that and has not now!

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Bridget · Rattlesnake Joined: 29 Jun 2003 Posts: 443

Thunder, I take it you don't put much stock in the Old Testiment but you should, for it was from the old testiment and the disobedience of the people of the Old Testiment that Jesus Christ came to us. You know that the Old Testiment was inspired by God and it was these sacred scriptures that Jesus Christ Himself read and taught from. Some of the rules He changed but most of it He taught and lived by. Then after Christ ascended the synaguage and the sacred scriptures were all the people of the early church had. It was only after the persecutions began that the church fathers and the synaguage parted ways. Our base is the Old Testiment, and the Ten Commandments for the last commandments Christ gave was to love God and to love God you keep His commandments.

thunder · Lion King Joined: 13 Sep 2003 Posts: 1222

The old testament is as credible...as the new testament.

But the new testament is a better testament and I respect God for all that He has done.

He didn't have to salvage mankind. When we came along and our original father and mother ruined it for the rest of us, including God, they put the world on a tilt and it has been tilted ever since.

The fact that the same God of creation and the old testament see's enough in humanity to do what He has done, is doing and promises that He will do even greater things than we have seen Him do so far is a feat that I can say nothing great enough about to put into words.

Thank God that I'm not God because if I were I would have written off the whole thing a long, long time ago, including myself considering that I am part of this thing too.

I see the old testament virtues of those things my father has done...and I love Him for it.

The work that He accomplished thru Moses and the other prophets is a work of art...a masterpiece of decor and rugged determination.

The new testament is a bit befuddling for me some times because I see a greater virtue in new testament saints that the old testament saints never got and we still have so many modern christians who bicker, squabble and gossip along with committing acts of carnal lust and insincere crimenal acts that a saint full of the Holy Ghost just should not allow him or her self to think about, much less do.

I see the names of people in the news that are people whom I have known to be spirit filled and there they are in black and white ink on paper being charged with and found guilty of crimes that have a long term jail sentance attached.

I'm sure that is why the Law according to Moses was fashioned. They had crimenal's too and needed a justice system to keep them seperate from those who are not crimenal.

Many of us who never go to jail, some how manage to gossip, lie, steal, cheat, practice being a false witness, don't speak up to help a brother or an innocent party who has been falsely charged with something.

We slink and skulk around like devils on a long weekend then go to church and act like its all okay, we're christians...after all.

I would have thought christ based people would have a higher moral caliber than I see in most who participate in church going and it is evident that the poor behavior has been around since Adam, Eve, Noah, Moses, John the Baptist and a great number of so called saints who have made the head lines.

How is that for having stock in a religious belief system

Note : in the last days, according to prophesy, evil spirits will pour out from the abyss with greater strength. God gave us a better covenant based on better promises and one of them is the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Imagine how evil a place this modern world would be with no gift of the Holy Ghost to stablize saints and more so that, although the world is filled with evil outbreaks all over, this world would be unbearable for practicing saints of God in Christ.

Is this world an abomination? Yes...but it would be far worse evil without Him here with and in us.

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Silver Surfer · Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2004 9:12 am Post subject:

RevJP · Moderator Joined: 18 Apr 2003 Posts: 7005 Location: USA

Not according to the Pharasees...
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Silver Surfer · Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2004 7:30 pm Post subject:

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SS, please clear up this seemingly apparent contradiction.

Bear with me as I think this out in this post.

In Exodus we are given ten commandments, we are given a contract with God in how to live in order to gain salvation, is this accurate? We now know that man cannot live according to the law perfectly and thus can never gain salvation through adherence to that law, yes?

God sent His Son to live among us as the only perfect man, and then to die, as our Sacrifice and conquer death and rise again as our living Lord. Am I on the right track thusfar?

While on this earth Jesus, God's Son, tells us that He was here not to abolish the law, but to fulfill it. He tells us that He has fulfilled our part of the original contract, am I correct in this?

He also tells us that the only way to God, heaven, is through Him - is this a correct assumption?

He gives us two commandments - Love your God with all your heart, mind and soul, and to love your brother as yourself. We are also told that because God loved us He gave us His Son, so that whoever believes on Him should have eternal life, salvation. Am I making any incorrect statements here?

So what I gather is that we have now, a new contract with God. Our part of the bargain is to love God with all our hearts, minds, and souls, to love our brother as ourselfs, and to believe on Christ (have total reliance on Him and Faith in Him).

Now here is the conflict; You tell us that what God has commanded is insufficient, that we are still bound by the original contract, even though Christ tells us He has fulfilled our part of that bargain. You tell us that although Christ was pretty clear on what our end of the new deal is, that He left something out and that we still have to obey the law perfectly or we cannot be saved. Is this a correct recounting of what you are telling us?

So, who am I to believe? God, or Silver Surfer?
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Silver Surfer · Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2004 5:55 am Post subject: