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FFT
Emperor of the Galaxy
Joined: 26 Mar 2005
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Location: Memphis
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| allan0201 wrote: | | If you know so much about the Bible, why are you still an Athiest? |
I can't speak for Fake, but I'm an atheist because I know so much about the Bible.
| allan0201 wrote: | | FFT wrote: | | Adam and Eve were never commanded to multiply. |
Either you haven't read the Bible or you are just lying. |
Actually, I have read the Bible quite extensively and I'm not, to my knowledge, lying. Please feel to prove me wrong by citing the verse in which Adam and Eve were commanded to multiply, though. |
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allan0201
Big Guppy
Joined: 13 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 11:40 am Post subject: Why do want to know the Bible? |
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FFT
| Quote: | | I can't speak for Fake, but I'm an atheist because I know so much about the Bible. |
I can't understand why someone who doesn't believe in God, wants to know so much about the Bible.
FFT
| Quote: | | Please feel to prove me wrong by citing the verse in which Adam and Eve were commanded to multiply, though. |
It doesn't say Adam and Eve specificaly. God was talking about man.
| Quote: | | 7And you, be ye fruitful, and multiply; bring forth abundantly in the earth, and multiply therein Genesis 9:7 |
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FFT
Emperor of the Galaxy
Joined: 26 Mar 2005
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Location: Memphis
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| Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 2:35 pm Post subject: Re: Why do want to know the Bible? |
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| allan0201 wrote: | | I can't understand why someone who doesn't believe in God, wants to know so much about the Bible. |
I don't believe in Greek mythology, but I've read quite a bit about it. But nobody's arguing that it's true, to my knowledge.
I don't believe in Babylonian mythology, but I've read quite a bit about it. But nobody's arguing that it's true, to my knowledge.
I don't believe in Abrahamic mythology any more, but I've read quite a bit about it. Plenty of people argue that it's true, however, so in order for me to discuss why I don't believe it's true I have to know what I'm talking about.
| allan0201 wrote: | | FFT wrote: | | Please feel to prove me wrong by citing the verse in which Adam and Eve were commanded to multiply, though. |
It doesn't say Adam and Eve specificaly. God was talking about man. | Quote: | | 7And you, be ye fruitful, and multiply; bring forth abundantly in the earth, and multiply therein Genesis 9:7 |
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Except that this was a command to Noah, nine generations after Adam and Eve. Not only that, but it was given after every other human on Earth had been killed.
So no, God didn't command Adam and Eve to multiply. But I'm the one that hasn't read the Bible or is "just lying," right?  |
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Nobby
Board - Admin
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Location: Missouri
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| Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | 7And you, be ye fruitful, and multiply; bring forth abundantly in the earth, and multiply therein Genesis 9:7 |
allan0201,
FFT is correct this command, God gave to Noah! 
Run the word multiply on an online bible. See where it's firsd used! |
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allan0201
Big Guppy
Joined: 13 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 9:31 pm Post subject: I made a mistake about that. |
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| I did make a mistake about that, but I still think you are a liar, because you still think that homosexuality is not a sin and anybody who thinks that is really deceived and just trying to deceive people which is lying. |
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FFT
Emperor of the Galaxy
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Location: Memphis
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| Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 6:04 am Post subject: |
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Just as a clarification, it's not lying if you're not doing it intentionally.
However, this is something that I've actually researched. You could do yourself a favor and read the link from the first post, you know. |
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summertime
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Joined: 21 Aug 2003
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| Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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| FFT wrote: | Just as a clarification, it's not lying if you're not doing it intentionally.
However, this is something that I've actually researched. You could do yourself a favor and read the link from the first post, you know. |
I doubt Allan will read it, FFT. If he does, it will not do any good right now. Some people never grow. They are stuck. Others grow, but it takes time. Allan can have things shown to him. Things that make good points, but he does not seem to address the points made to him. Maybe, one or two points, but there's still a lot of other points he does not respond to. Like the ones made by me in my Homosexuality, Abomination, and Levitical Law thread. His reasoning may be that he thinks I'm a liar, so there's no point in him reading a liar's thread. However, that is just a cover as far as I'm concerned. If a person wants to make an honest, sound judgement call on an issue, I believe he or she would be willing to listen to all sides and not block them out. For such a person who refuses to listen appears to only value their own views and opinions as if theirs were the only ones in the world worth listening to. This, ofcourse, is just a speculatory opinion on my part. Whenever a person refuses to give you the light of day and listen to you, yet they expect you to listen to them, they are not treating their neighbor as they want to be treated. This says a lot about an individual. |
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PrysdieHeer!
Big Pit Bull
Joined: 30 Dec 2007
Posts: 392
Location: South Africa; Gardens of Pretoria
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Are any perfect? No not one.
Lone |
Jesus is Perfect="1 Peter 2:22"
="Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth"
Paul Writes 1Cor14:37=If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
The Lord may judge who he wants to judge.
Joh5:22=For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son |
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Nobby
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| Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 9:56 am Post subject: |
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Hi PrysdieHeer, yes Jesus was the only man that was perfect.
Welcome to our discussion board. Glad to have you!
You should visit our introduction forum & tell us some about yourself. eNJOY YOURSELF!  |
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justjazz
Sea Monkey
Joined: 21 Jan 2008
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| Having waded through most of this thread, I am quite amazed that no one has stated the obvious. If homosexuality was such a grievious sin as it apparently is today, Jesus' actual words on the matter are, well quite frankly, NOTHING. And yet his message to love one another seems to be the only relevant words one needs when dealing with this issue and the bulk of life's struggles. |
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Brother John
Little Goldfish
Joined: 01 Apr 2008
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Location: Kansas
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| Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 10:17 am Post subject: |
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| lone-traveler wrote: | People have a way of going a little overboard with their informing another of there "sin" however.
Beatings, shunning, exploitation, condemning, smearing, and murder have all resulted from "good intentions".
Doesn't the bible say that we are not to judge those outside the church?
They are not called to follow God. And that God alone is judge. And when he wants them to change HE will.
Are we to take it upon ourselves to be the judge and jury?
Judge not, lest ye be judged.
Is God not able to lead them how he will?
Do you know why there is homosexuality in the world?
It is there for those who live in the carnal world to judge carnal things.
Those who are of the spirit judge spiritual things.
What is the spiritual message behind homosexuality.
Not the flesh, but the spirit...
Peace
Lone |
Lone-
I Know that I'm still SUCH a newb here, but I hope to provide an angle on this here.
I don't think that there's any people condemning people for sins here, but the Bible, God's word, doing so...and some people pointing that fact out.
The thread is about what this articles author says the Bible does or does not say, so the replies saying that "Yes, it clearly does say....." shouldn't be seen as condemnation....but discernment about what God HAS already decreed concerning this.
And He has.
Your Brother
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Brother John
Little Goldfish
Joined: 01 Apr 2008
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Location: Kansas
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| Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 10:22 am Post subject: |
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| justjazz wrote: | | Having waded through most of this thread, I am quite amazed that no one has stated the obvious. If homosexuality was such a grievious sin as it apparently is today, Jesus' actual words on the matter are, well quite frankly, NOTHING. And yet his message to love one another seems to be the only relevant words one needs when dealing with this issue and the bulk of life's struggles. |
You've got a point, but it falls a little short.
Jesus also said nothing about bestiality or necrophillia either.
I'm NOT saying that homosexuality is the SAME as these, other than to say that they are also sexually based sin that Christ says zero about.
Your Brother
John |
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summertime
Big Pit Bull
Joined: 21 Aug 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 3:34 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | There is nothing wrong with telling someone that homosexuality is wrong even as there is nothing wrong with telling someone that murder is wrong or that adultery is wrong. There is something wrong with not proclaiming God's Word and that is clear that Homosexuality is a sin.
Paul |
It is innately clear that murder is wrong. Why? It is the killing of another image of God. It is clear that adultery is wrong? Why? Because the cheating person is hurting his/her marriage and hurting the person in the relationship that is being cheated on. And if you loved your neighbor as yourself, you wouldn't want to be killed or cheated on. Homosexual relationships are clearly wrong because why??? If you loved your neighbor as yourself and it was you who were homosexual, how would you want to be treated considering the scenario that you have switched places with the homosexual you now are in disagreement with? You have come into contact with a gay person who loves God and others and has all the attributes of a Christian EXCEPT the only thing is they are gay. Now, that person is you in the scenario of loving neighbor as self. You have switched places. How would you as a God loving, people loving gay person want to be treated by a person that quotes text after text trying to prove you're wrong for living as a gay individual? |
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