Fundamentalist

antiaging · Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 10:28 pm Post subject: Fundamentalist

A fundamentalist is a christian that believes in the fundamentals of the Christian faith as defined in the New Testament. [Based on the conservative protestant movement started in 1910, to oppose modernism.] Modernism was an attempt by liberals, to reconcile the teachings of Christianity with the findings of science, especially evolution.

A fundamentalist believes:
The inerrancy, infallibility and literal truth of the bible.

The virgin birth and complete deity of Jesus Christ.

The physical ressurection of Christ and all dead.

The atoning sacrifice for the sins of the World, by Jesus' death on the cross.

The second coming of Christ in bodilly form.

The way I look at it, the real believers are the fundamentalists.
If these are the fundamentals of the Christian faith, then this is what Christians are supposed to believe.

Zathrus · Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 10:04 am Post subject:

I would take issue with a few of those ideas, not because of the findings of science, but because the Bible itself does not support them.

I think fundamentalists and modernists both have more homework to do before they can stand up and say they're the experts and everyone should believe what they say.

saintmichaeldefendthem · Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 7:20 pm Post subject:

towshab · Labrador Joined: 23 Oct 2007 Posts: 312

In my experience, a fundamentalist Christian is one who believes in the fundamentals of modern Christianity, NOT what the bible (Christian or Hewbrew) teaches. That is, they believe in trinity, baptism saves, etc., none of which is supported in the GT much less the Tanakh.

Craig2uguys · Hamster Joined: 30 Nov 2007 Posts: 87

galen · Ferret Joined: 22 May 2005 Posts: 115 Location: Maine

pastor2022 · Moderator Joined: 07 Dec 2006 Posts: 693

I would sincerely like to know which ones of those you disagree with.

galen · Ferret Joined: 22 May 2005 Posts: 115 Location: Maine

ragman13 · Labrador Joined: 07 Jul 2007 Posts: 320

galen said

galen · Ferret Joined: 22 May 2005 Posts: 115 Location: Maine

Matthew 1:24 Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife
:25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.

'To know a wife' is used consistently through out the Bible meaning to conceive.

Joseph did not conceive a baby with Mary until after their first child was born.

Commonly newer translations strive to use more modern word usage, but sometimes without researching how the older words were used; and sometimes it is done to conform to fit to modern doctrines.

RevJP · Moderator Joined: 18 Apr 2003 Posts: 6840 Location: USA

Galen, you are incorrect.

G1097
γινώσκω
ginōskō
ghin-oce'-ko
A prolonged form of a primary verb; to “know” (absolutely), in a great variety of applications and with many implications (as shown at left, with others not thus clearly expressed): - allow, be aware (of), feel, (have) known (-ledge), perceive, be resolved, can speak, be sure, understand.

Know
KNOW, v.t. no. pret. knew; pp. known. [L. nosco, cognosco, Gr. although much varied in orthography. Nosco makes novi, which, with g or c prefixed, gnovi or cnovi, would coincide with know, knew. So L. cresco, crevi, coincides with grow, grew. The radical sense of knowing is generally to take, receive, or hold.]

1. To perceive with certainty; to understand clearly; to have a clear and certain perception of truth, fact, or any thing that actually exists. To know a thing pre

includes all doubt or uncertainty of its existence. We know what we see with our eyes, or perceive by other senses. We know that fire and water are different substances. We know that truth and falsehood express ideas incompatible with each other. We know that a circle is not a square. We do not know the truth of reports, nor can we always know what to believe.

2. To be informed of; to be taught. It is not unusual for us to say we know things from information, when we rely on the veracity of the informer.

3. To distinguish; as, to know one man from another. We know a fixed star from a planet by its twinkling.

4. To recognize by recollection, remembrance, representation or description. We do not always know a person after a long absence. We sometimes know a man by having seen his portrait, or having heard him described.

5. To be no stranger to; to be familiar. This man is well known to us.

6. In scripture, to have sexual commerce with. Gen 4.

Gen 4:1 And the man knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man with the help of Jehovah.

Mat 1:25

(ALT) and he was not knowing her [fig., was not having sexual relations with her] until she gave birth to her firstborn Son. And he called His name Jesus.

(AMP) But he had no union with her as her husband until she had borne her firstborn Son; and he called His name Jesus.

(ASV) and knew her not till she had brought forth a son: and he called his name JESUS.

(BBE) And he had no connection with her till she had given birth to a son; and he gave him the name Jesus.

(CEV) But they did not sleep together before her baby was born. Then Joseph named him Jesus.

(DRB) And he knew her not till she brought forth her first born son: and he called his name Jesus.

(ESV) but knew her not until she had given birth to a son. And he called his name Jesus.

(GNB) But he had no sexual relations with her before she gave birth to her son. And Joseph named him Jesus.

(HCSB) but did not know her intimately until she gave birth to a son. And he named Him Jesus.

(ISV) He did not have marital relations with her until she had given birth to a son; and he named him Jesus.

(JPS)

(KJV+) And2532 knew1097 her846 not3756 till2193 she had brought forth5088 her848 firstborn4416 son:5207 and2532 he called2564 his846 name3686 JESUS.2424

(KJVA) And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.

(KJVR) And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.

(LITV) and did not know her until she bore her son, the First-born. And he called His name Jesus.

(MKJV) and did not know her until she bore her son, the First-born. And he called His name JESUS.

(RV) and knew her not till she had brought forth a son: and he called his name JESUS.

(YLT) and did not know her till she brought forth her son--the first-born, and he called his name Jesus.