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HeKkLeR
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| I wrote: | I understand you, JP. Yet, I was the one who answered their first question, then received even yet another question in return, questioning my answer to their first question.
That, in itself, seemed to show me that there definitely was an ulterior motive. So much, that I had to ask what the motive was.
Then came the "you folks" comment. 
And, though I surely may be incorrect, their questioning and latter comment seemed to imply that they did not enjoy the song... and that was their true motive in repeatedly questioning those who said they enjoyed it. Hence, the "Devil's Advocate" label... though I did not mean it in a negative way... but a truthful way. |
| Jacinth wrote: | hekkler, I had no ulterior motives in asking you the questions I asked.
I will admit, though, that I found the song to be the typical parotted stuff that passes as worship music these days. But that is only my opinion, and one that I have no desire to thrust upon others. |
| Jacinth wrote: | | It is the unoriginal and unimaginative musical style and lyrics which leaves me unimpressed by this song and the countless others just like it. |
Jacinth, do you know what an "ulterior motive" is?
So, yes, your questioning was under the premise of an ulterior motive (you did not appreciate the song). And so yes, you were playing Devil's Advocate by questioning and requestioning the motive of others as to why they enjoyed the song.
It is no biggie... for sure... but it is funny to me.  |
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HeKkLeR
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| Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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Jacinth,
to be fair, I do understand your position. 
| Yet, as a music producer myself, I wrote: | | A song has several properties that together will make the song as a whole, pleasing to the ear of the listener who enjoys it. I enjoy the song as a whole. |
One of those "several" properties that I mentioned above is the "delivery" of the artist. From what I've heard from Chris Tomlin, his delivery is mostly on-point. Meaning, that he delivers his vocals in a very believable way.
In my opinion, there is not much better than an artist who can sing a song with such conviction in their delivery, that the listener can believe that the artist is singing truthfully about their feelings. Stevie Wonder is one of those such fantastic artists.  |
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Jacinth
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Joined: 28 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 7:57 am Post subject: |
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ulerior motive - underlying motive: a second and underlying motive, usually a selfish or dishonorable one
No, my hekkling friend, I had no ulterior motive in asking you what you find appealing about the song. Why you insist on questioning my motives is not clear to me.
| Quote: | | One of those "several" properties that I mentioned above is the "delivery" of the artist. From what I've heard from Chris Tomlin, his delivery is mostly on-point. Meaning, that he delivers his vocals in a very believable way. |
You are welcome to your opinion. I have my own opinion, and it does not line up with yours. But what would life be like if we all saw things the same way? Boring, I'd imagine. |
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MoJo
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| Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:04 am Post subject: |
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Amazing how people can argue over nothing.
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atoz
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| Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 1:46 pm Post subject: |
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| MoJo wrote: | Amazing how people can argue over nothing.
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Nothing is something as in Love of the something we call nothing:
Thanx for everything!
Oh? That was nothing!
Nothing is very big in Hate of the something we call nothing:
Thanx for nothing!
Huh! That's all the thanx I get for everything I have done?
in Love of everything and its opposite, nothing, out of which Nothing God made Everything in Love,smile
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Jacinth
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| Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Mojo, I agree. They don't call him the hekkler for nothing. |
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Nobby
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| Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Heck, do you remember when you said almost those same words. You said that you chose the name HeKkLeR because you liked to heckel your apponent in a debate! That was around 4 years ago! |
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Jacinth
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| Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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| At least he lives up to his name, Nobby. |
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mikeinsarasota
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| Nobby wrote: | | Jacinth wrote: | | But that is just me. To each their own. |
mikeinsarasota, didn't Jacinth say it was just him?
Doesn't he have a right to his own opinion?  |
Yes he does. And I didnt tell him not to give it to us. i just would like to see him to do better if he can. |
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Jacinth
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mikeinsarasota,
I promise to let y'all hear my stuff in the near future. |
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Veronica Moser
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| i listened to the song again and i see why i thought it was girlie...he sounds just like a gay friend of mine who sings just like him! not that being gay is a bad thing..its just who he is. |
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HeKkLeR
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| Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2007 2:17 pm Post subject: |
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Uh huh.
I knew that Jacinth person had an ulterior motive! I knew it!
I believed, and so I spoke!
Oh, I know my God is good! I know it!
I TOLD YOU ALL THAT JACINTH HAD AN ULTERIOR MOTIVE GOING ON!
And now it comes to light that he was none other than my old adversary, the dreaded "apoc"!
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atoz
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| HeKkLeR wrote: | Uh huh.
I knew that Jacinth person had an ulterior motive! I knew it!
I believed, and so I spoke!
Oh, I know my God is good! I know it!
I TOLD YOU ALL THAT JACINTH HAD AN ULTERIOR MOTIVE GOING ON!
And now it comes to light that he was none other than my old adversary, the dreaded "apoc"!
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Good for you, Hekk!
So you do see why we have to lvoe our enemies and friends?
Enemies are our friends in disguise,
and
friends are our enemies in disguise!smile
in God's Love that sees
how our friends are our worse enemies,
and
how our enemies are our best friends,
atoz |
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HeKkLeR
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| Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Its... just... indescribable... |
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lone-traveler
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gives a whole new meaning to wolves in sheeps clothing..doesn't it?..smile..  |
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