Why I personally believe in the Holy Trinity

composer2005 · Fierce Wolf Joined: 14 Jul 2007 Posts: 561

All that changes nothing.

IF they were co-equal that would be impossible for one is coequal to the other and therefore an insult to the one is coequally an insult to the other.

BTW: It is also noticeable that the very quote you provded actually disproves your current holy spirit is a person / a ' he ' it was claimed.

Your quote: The sin of blasphemy is a sin that can be forgiven. However, there is a sin of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit that cannot be forgiven (Matt. 12:32; Mark 3:29; Luke 12:10). This is a state of hardness in which one consciously and willfully resists God’s saving power and grace. It is a desperate condition that is beyond the situation of forgiveness because one is not able to recognize and repent of sin. Thus one wanting to repent of blasphemy against the Spirit cannot have committed the sin.
Jerry M. Henry
—Holman Illustrated Bible Dictionary (My BOLD)

The Holy Spirit = . . . God’s saving power . . . and NOT A ' HE ' as was claimed!

Thank you

atoz

TBax · King of the Jungle Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Posts: 1942

Pete · Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 12:16 pm Post subject:

VCO cites several Bible passages as proof of the Trinity doctrine, so let’s hit a few.

1 John 5:7 is the one all Trinitarians jump to, but it is not a valid Scripture verse since even Trinitarian scholars doubt its authenticity. It is also in direct conflict with other verses in John’s epistles (1 Jn 2:22-24 and 2 Jn 9-10).

John 14 is the favorite chapter that Trins jump to as proof of Trinity. What has to be understood is that most translations are the work of Trinitarian scholars and therefore suspect, as this chapter shows. Three words are in question and have been taken out of context and deliberately mistranslated, they are: “another”, “Comforter” and “He”.

“Another” (Gr. Allos, different) in this context, means that Jesus, himself, will return after his crucifixion in "another" or different form – spiritual, rather than physical. It does not mean a third person. “Comforter” is from the Greek autos or aer meaning to breathe or to respire. In short, it means an unseen power. Comforter can mean a person, but in the context of John 14 a third person doesn’t fit, as verse 18-23 make clear. The only ones that come to Christians as comforters are the Father and his Son, Jesus Christ. This is also reiterated in 2 Corinthians 1:2-6.

Also, referring to Romans 8:11 as proof of a third person is nonsense. Many other verses make it clear that Jesus was raised by the Father’s Spirit, or power, such as Romans 10:9, Galatians 1;1, 1 Thess. 1:10, Ephesians 1:20, Acts 2:32-33, and others. There is no coequal, third person called the Holy Ghost biblically. It is pure Trinitarian fiction - Father and Son only.

We could cover all the other verses that Trins go to, but this should suffice for now. There is not a single verse in Scripture that identifies or describes a Trinitarian, coequal godhead. Jesus acknowledged the Father only, to whom he was submissive.

atoz · Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 12:03 am Post subject:

TBax · King of the Jungle Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Posts: 1942

atoz,

I appreciate your effort to explain, but you lost me with your very first part.

Pete